# Should the Game consider Tourists? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 15, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788 "2020-10-15T14:47:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/81 "2020-10-15T21:51:17Z")
Tourist 315 ---
**Author:** ![Soweto\_Tourist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soweto_tourist/32/235572_2.png) [@Soweto\_Tourist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soweto_Tourist)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/82 "2020-10-15T22:08:12Z")
Back off, scrub! ---
**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/83 "2020-10-15T22:16:00Z")
I have always been here but if I see a problem that could be easily fixed, I suggest it. It is not the law - it is a suggestion. Using the forum is the only way I know to get the attention of the Developers. Having responses such as yours help to sway opinion either way and thus make a contribution. Tourists, by my definition, are NOT invulnerable but have a Brer Rabbit ability to duck real trouble when it comes their way. I really like your use of ‘legitimate’ as a way to describe a normal player - what is an illegitimate player? Perhaps a Bot or an Alt? What about an Alpha? I don’t really understand your final paragraph so I will not respond to that-sorry. Fly in grace Voets ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/84 "2020-10-15T22:21:06Z")
> [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > I have always been here but if I see a problem that could be easily fixed, I suggest it. But you just said you have no problem with EVE. In your own words: _I do not have a personal problem with Eve._ You can’t have it both ways. > [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > Tourists, by my definition, are NOT invulnerable but have a Brer Rabbit ability to duck real trouble when it comes their way. If you can’t see why this is still a major problem that can be abused by scout alts then you don’t understand the game anywhere near well enough to be proposing changes. > I really like your use of ‘legitimate’ as a way to describe a normal player - what is an illegitimate player? Someone who demands that CCP remove all difficulty from their path so they can click the “win” button and receive a meaningless participation trophy. AKA, your proposed tourists. > I don’t really understand your final paragraph so I will not respond to that-sorry. What’s so difficult to understand? If getting to nullsec is difficult and dangerous then exploring nullsec systems is an accomplishment that has value. You set your goal, overcome the obstacles in your path, and have the satisfaction of victory. If your proposed tourist option exists then exploring nullsec systems is just a matter of setting a destination in the autopilot and waiting until you get there. There’s nothing to overcome and therefore no value to the accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/85 "2020-10-15T22:34:05Z")
You would expect someone with a name like [Voets Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets) he would understand the meaning of “as-is”… ja nee boetie 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/86 "2020-10-15T22:55:49Z")
Ja Nee, Boet. Jy kry net wat daar is. Soms is dit nie genog nie maar jy kan nie weet nie. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/87 "2020-10-15T23:10:42Z")
Immune to hostile intent tourists would be bored stiff, can’t imagine why anyone would pay for that. Must be almost as exciting as watching the old TV test cards, although I don’t expect some of you remember those. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/88 "2020-10-15T23:14:47Z")
![cant_help_it_reminds_me_of_him](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/5/8550ffbbc61ef60955ddb1cdd01e30eee4c3351d.png) ---
**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/89 "2020-10-15T23:47:49Z")
Right, here we go - defending the un-thingy thing. Firstly, I apologise for treating you as a regular non-person I meet on the game forums. You can obviously read and comprehend and I am pleased to meet you. I will probably hit on you for lessons. Ok, my words: problem I play Eve every day - the only problem I have with her is the Downloads. Nothing else. Especially of late! This is not my fault, I promise. Hmm, the alt scouts thingy. If you have a normal alt scout that is NOT a problem, then why on Eve would a Tourist Alt Scout be a problem? If you think that a 5 minute ‘hang around’ time is too long then say so. Trophy: ow! This is complete SH1@ and not worth responding to. What is a participation trophy? Null Space: nullsec is only dangerous because of people. There are no geo-physical events that could cause death so exploring is made easier by not having to deal with players. Sh1t! I have been up for 20 hours and have run out of beer. Goodnight ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/90 "2020-10-15T23:54:56Z")
> [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > Hmm, the alt scouts thingy. If you have a normal alt scout that is NOT a problem, then why on Eve would a Tourist Alt Scout be a problem? A tourist (spy) you can’t kill and you don’t see an issue with that. 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/91 "2020-10-16T00:00:13Z")
> [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > the only problem I have with her is the Downloads. > [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > if I see a problem that could be easily fixed, I suggest it. You can’t have it both ways. > Hmm, the alt scouts thingy. If you have a normal alt scout that is NOT a problem, then why on Eve would a Tourist Alt Scout be a problem? If you think that a 5 minute ‘hang around’ time is too long then say so. Because a normal alt can be engaged and killed normally. A tourist scout has a 5 minute invulnerability timer which can be reset by rotating through multiple tourists. > What is a participation trophy? Where your team goes 0-20 but mommy gives you a shiny trophy because if you don’t get a trophy you’ll feel inferior to the kids who won the championship. Or when you are too much of a helpless perma-victim to ever leave highsec so you expect CCP to give you a special tourist alt that removes all risk and lets you "win’. > Null Space: nullsec is only dangerous because of people. Exactly. Removing the threat of other players renders any exploration achievements worthless. This is why your tourist idea can not happen. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/92 "2020-10-16T00:09:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Removing the threat of other players renders any exploration achievements worthless. Kind of like playing in god mode, seems like a good idea for the first 10 minutes, but goes downhill quickly after that. ---
**Author:** ![Janncor\_Lennox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janncor_lennox/32/260555_2.png) [@Janncor\_Lennox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janncor_Lennox)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/93 "2020-10-16T00:35:37Z")
Eve online actually has this _invulnerable to other players_ feature. Look into “station spinning”. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/94 "2020-10-16T01:33:45Z")
this topic is pointless ![comment_1593632073gK7CxLc4oAvgjPsDN5M6Y2,w400](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/7/97738c6806b3e4601df71ebfa5cff642cd26592f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/95 "2020-10-16T18:09:18Z")
Hey voets. If you wanna go neutral into low/null without risk, fly a Victorieux Luxury Yacht. 210M ISK for the hull, but a hell of a lot of fun to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/96 "2020-10-16T19:24:18Z")
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**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/97 "2020-10-23T16:51:43Z")
Hmm, may be so - I do not have access to the actual figures. I am thinking of the new dimension that EVE has entered into: the puppy era. This is the era when the jewels/clothing/charms/skins you can buy are more important than actually playing the game. From this perspective I make the recommendation of a Tourist class - never in the past! I would be a Tourist because I like certain aspects of Eve but not others. I am not a killer by choice and I play my games according to my life choices - silly, hey. I also don’t like the situation where a player now has the edge if he/she has this or that drug onboard. I understand this is akin to a ‘potion’ in other games but they were impersonal - you vs the toon. If Eve were player V toon, I would not blink. But it’s not. You might kill me thoughtlessly whereas, I would rather not kill you at all. Fly Safe, Merin\_ if anyone will allow you. Voets ---
**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/98 "2020-10-23T16:58:12Z")
Hmm, go walk around Sowetu in Nikes and see how quick you lose them 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Voets\_Toets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/voets_toets/32/179404_2.png) [@Voets\_Toets](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Voets_Toets)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/99 "2020-10-23T17:20:51Z")
Well, I pay for 12 months at a time and I am bored stiff with mining, manufacturing, trading, T4 missions etc… I would like to see all of Eve purely for the experience without having to fear pirates etc… I am just waiting for my timer to expire and I am gone. If you read any of my posts in this thread, you would know that I do not ENJOY killing things - personal and eff-all to do with you nor with test patterns. I have 70 years of experience in life: my parents fought in WW2, I grew up in the 60’s (remember?), I survived Apartheid, Conscription and racial hatred - I DO NOT NEED to kill things - in fact, I DO NOT WANT to kill things. But, enjoy the game while you can. Fly in Grace, Voets ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788/100 "2020-10-23T17:28:57Z")
> [@Voets\_Toets](#): > > I am just waiting for my timer to expire and I am gone Why wait? You can leave anytime you want. Go ahead. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-the-game-consider-tourists/273788.md?page=6)