# Shouldnt the Bar be raised to create corporations? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 7, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522 "2018-12-07T21:35:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/21 "2018-12-08T07:49:07Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Anyone feel like with the new Wardec changes, shouldnt we raise the requirements and cost of creating new corporations? I agree with you, even starting a corp myself very soon, I think starting a corp should cost at least 500 mill ---
**Author:** ![BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boingboingboingboing_boingobbleoi/32/203433_2.png) [@BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING_BOINGOBBLEOI)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/22 "2018-12-08T08:18:18Z")
Nah. I think anyone should be able to create a corp. That goes for social, friends only, or casual corps too. I’m kinda disappointed that it takes 2m to create a corp, but I guess it’s not too bad with the terrible inflation we have today. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/23 "2018-12-08T11:27:15Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Anyone feel like with the new Wardec changes, shouldnt we raise the requirements and cost of creating new corporations? > > Should be a minimum of corporation management 5 and 500 mill to 1 bill isk to make a new corp. > > We need to make the bar higher with the introduction of zero accountability with regards to tax-haven corps. Why exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/24 "2018-12-08T13:16:03Z")
The new wardec change is going to lead to a bunch of 1 man corps being created. They will recruit other players to farm corp tax, but there’s going to be very little social interaction. If social interaction and getting people out of npc corps was all they needed, they could have went with the social corp that the players were proposing… ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/25 "2018-12-08T16:34:01Z")
No. No ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/26 "2018-12-08T17:15:19Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Why exactly? Because there is little difference between an NPC corp and a player made corp in terms of not being able to be wardecced, and yet the tax rate can be zero on player run corps. Because we should have accountability for corporations that cannot be wardecced anymore. Because it used to be that players would realize how crap of a corp you were in when a simple wardec prevented you from doing anything, and the CEO was incompetant enough that he couldnt do anything either. The problem with this is that were ignoring the fact that a lot of people have created a lot of crappy corps that are currently closed right now due to inactivity. The bar was already set low to begin with, and with the wardec changes, it changes the dynamic of player corps. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/27 "2018-12-08T17:15:43Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > No. No K, k. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/28 "2018-12-08T18:38:52Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > > > Seems too much like trying to “force” people to play the way **you** want them to. > > How so. Because of players with these ideas… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > > Why exactly? > > Because there is little difference between an NPC corp and a player made corp in terms of not being able to be wardecced, and yet the tax rate can be zero on player run corps. > > Because we should have accountability for corporations that cannot be wardecced anymore. > > Because it used to be that players would realize how crap of a corp you were in when a simple wardec prevented you from doing anything, and the CEO was incompetant enough that he couldnt do anything either. > > The problem with this is that were ignoring the fact that a lot of people have created a lot of crappy corps that are currently closed right now due to inactivity. The bar was already set low to begin with, and with the wardec changes, it changes the dynamic of player corps. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/29 "2018-12-08T18:44:19Z")
Yes, absolutely. The fact that absolutely everyone can create a corporations not only devalues them all, but also caused a rather chaotic situation for society. Most people have no ■■■■■■■ clue how damaging this actually is. They don’t see beyond the length of their noses. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/30 "2018-12-08T18:48:01Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Yes, absolutely. The fact that absolutely everyone can create a corporations not only devalues them all, but also caused a rather chaotic situation for society. I think players are trying to change the **original** intent of corporations. I don’t agree that should be changed. Trying to cloak that change into a balance issue is intellectually dishonest in my opinion, and indirectly trying to force people into game-play **you** think they should be doing instead the game-play they prefer, given the existing mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/31 "2018-12-08T19:50:02Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > and yet the tax rate can be zero on player run corps. Do we know the “new” social type corps also can set tax to zero? > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > The bar was already set low to begin with I fully agree ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/32 "2018-12-08T20:12:26Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Do we know the “new” social type corps also can set tax to zero? There aren’t new corps. They are the same corps as now. Only wardec mechanics are changing with a new feature called eligibility. I don’t think there is any plans to change corps… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/33 "2018-12-08T20:18:55Z")
Corps do provide benefits and should be balanced. It’s really hard to find a decent corp now. There’s too many managed by people that don’t know what they are doing or ones that are there just to skim corp tax from other players. They obscure corps lead by competent players. It is surely having a damaging effect on the npe. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/34 "2018-12-08T20:23:57Z")
Seems to be a bit to much “micro-managing” the player-base in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/35 "2018-12-08T22:42:15Z")
> [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > Because of players with these ideas… Again, how so. Please post what exactly you disagree with or find is a bad idea, instead of just saying "Because of this ". ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/36 "2018-12-08T22:54:11Z")
> [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > I think players are trying to change the **original** intent of corporations. So, in your opinion, what is the original intent of corporations? > [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > Trying to cloak that change into a balance issue is intellectually dishonest in my opinion, Again, how so. > [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > and indirectly trying to force people into game-play **you** think they should be doing instead the game-play they prefer, given the existing mechanics. No one is saying we should get rid of the ability to create new corporations. The mechanic will still exist. Its not like there will be no one that will be able to create corporations unless they were a 10 year veteran or something. The thing is, though, that people will try to protect something that theyve invested more into. Killah Bee told everyone to dock up their faction supers. Why? Because of the cost of such ships and the negative impact they will have on their killboard. Did Killah Bee tell all the Ceptor pilots to dock up, too? Of course not. Ceptors are a dime a dozen. The more expensive a thing is, the less of a chance that we will abandon it and let it fall/fail. I believe that the _ **original** _ intent of corporations is to provide a hub for like-minded individuals to gather and socialize, to promote conflict between groups, and to protect their corporation from outside threats. Id like to see more corporations to be active. I dont mind seeing new corporations rising, but if given the choice between 100 corporations being created where 90 of them will go inactive and close in 5 months, and only 30 corporations created and 20 of them will stay active and social, ill take the 30. Im a quality over quantity guy, and i honestly think that the quality of a corporation will help what I believe to be the **_original_** intent or corporations. But im open to discussion and for people to change my mind. What im not open to, however is a simple “No youre wrong. Youre a bad man. Me no rikey, you bad person.” ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/37 "2018-12-08T22:56:33Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > change my mind Heh, I’d have better odds at the track, and that isn’t the point is it… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/38 "2018-12-08T22:58:04Z")
> [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > Heh, I’d have better odds at the track, and that isn’t the point is it. 😉 Unless you post actual arguments and compelling reasons, then yes, youd have better odds at the track. Otherwise, you will find out that just posting the equivalent of a “no u” will not convince a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/39 "2018-12-08T22:59:11Z")
The problem is your proposal does nothing but force you to grind some isk to make a corp. It doesn’t provide any deeper engagement in it after that. And therefore it is pointless at it’s objective. There is nothing to say that those good CEO’s would be able to grind the isk, there is nothing saying that poor CEO’s could not grind the isk. TLDR: Grind barriers are bad. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522/40 "2018-12-08T22:59:43Z")
One must be willing to change their mind. Obviously we know where some are in regard to that. 😄 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shouldnt-the-bar-be-raised-to-create-corporations/125522.md?page=3)