# Shuttle is the new go to scout. Is this reasonable? **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [October 7, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171 "2021-10-07T14:08:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/21 "2021-10-07T16:26:06Z")
I’m a terrible smartbomb proteus pilot and I only have used it for half a day before I sold it again. And even I could consistently kill active moving shuttles. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/22 "2021-10-07T16:26:31Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > Ps. As i said before killingthem solves nothing. Sends them all the way back to their medical clone station. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/23 "2021-10-07T16:26:42Z")
So what? You see you still fail to understand. Ur example was T5Z If you are a local Its 1 jump for ur deathclone If yo uare a hostile its 4 jumps for ur deathlone to reach T5Z Did you solve the active scouting problem spending half an hour combating one? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/24 "2021-10-07T16:30:25Z")
1. The vast majority of the fights aren’t happening across one gate, like in T5Z and 1DQ. Sending them back to their medical clone station wastes their time. And if the fight happens right next to their home station, what use is it that they’re bringing a shuttle, if they could bring a combat capable ship instead? 2. ‘half an hour combating one’. Honestly, how long do you think it takes to probe a shuttle on grid and smartbomb it? (Hint: the instructional video is slow paced and 1 minute long) ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/25 "2021-10-07T16:34:18Z")
Alright bro. You absolutely do not understand any of this. And i would like to ask you to stop commenting on this post. The “instuctional video” you made clearly show this. Im not being salty or have no valid argument its just im talking to someone who doesnt understand the basics and so cant see past his limited knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/26 "2021-10-07T16:34:39Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > You absolutely do not understand any of this. As I have shown with multiple linked sources, I might understand this better than you do. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/27 "2021-10-07T16:35:04Z")
Alright bro. You absolutely do not understand any of this. And i would like to ask you to stop commenting on this post. The “instuctional video” you made clearly show this. Im not being salty or have no valid argument its just im talking to someone who doesnt understand the basics and so cant see past his limited knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/28 "2021-10-07T16:39:16Z")
Okay I’ll bite. Please tell me: 1. what basics I do not know. 2. how my instructional video shows that I do not understand any of this, and 3. how my knowledge is limited ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/29 "2021-10-07T16:46:31Z")
The video shows you combat probing an afk shuttle with ur probes already on grid at 0.5 AU. You didnt even go as far to have offgrid probes scanning on the target. And thus failed at everything else. Just this tells more than you think about some one. You think this is the way to kill shuttles. And when you say “These kills were made while they were warping around” you clearly lie. Anyone with combat probe experience would tell you the same. From this and other comments you made on scouting and shuttles you made it clear you have never done it/or had to actively try to stop it. You will think-\> But hey i combat probed and killed multiple shuttles in T5Z. While this is true i can tell you how you done it with 100% accuracy. The main of the shuttle was in an active engagement and let the shuttle die as focusing on an active fight took his attention. You merely probed down afk shuttles. This all derives to the last point. Ur limited knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/30 "2021-10-07T16:54:41Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > The video shows you combat probing an afk shuttle with ur probes already on grid at 0.5 AU. You didnt even go as far to have offgrid probes scanning on the target. And thus failed at everything else. Just this tells more than you think about some one. You think this is the way to kill shuttles. And when you say “These kills were made while they were warping around” you clearly lie. Anyone with combat probe experience would tell you the same. There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I was talking about shuttles warping around _on grid_: > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I even manage to kill shuttles that keep bouncing **between bookmarks on grid.** This means I can see them, align to them and warp to them when I have my combat probes on 0.5 AU. _‘Anyone with combat probe experience would tell you the same.’_ > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > From this and other comments you made on scouting and shuttles you made it clear you have never done it/or had to actively try to stop it. As you base this conclusion on the previous misconception I don’t think I have to debunk this. > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > You will think-\> But hey i combat probed and killed multiple shuttles in T5Z. Correct, as the zkillboard links have shown. > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > While this is true i can tell you how you done it with 100% accuracy. The main of the shuttle was in an active engagement and let the shuttle die as focusing on an active fight took his attention. Sorry, could you elaborate? I don’t quite follow what you’re saying here. > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > You merely probed down afk shuttles. As I mentioned before, unlike the instructional video, the kills I linked were moving shuttles that were actively warping from bookmark to bookmark. _On grid._ The trick is to combat probe them the moment they warp to a new position on grid, align to their new position, warp to them and smartbomb them before they had a chance of giving a new warp order. As shuttles have very limited warp speed (unlike interceptor scouts or combat probing smartbomb T3Cs that can move over 10AU/s) it’s not hard to arrive right after they land. > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > This all derives to the last point. Ur limited knowledge. There was one point I did not quite follow, but I think the rest of the points you were pretty wrong. Could you elaborate on the point I didn’t follow? ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/31 "2021-10-07T17:01:17Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > You dont understand the problem here You don’t like how effective shuttles are for scouting. I don’t agree it is a problem. That’s it. You are doing like many before: 1. Start a thread about something they don’t like 2. Fail to convince others it is an issue 3. Fail to address the opposing arguments 4. Claim other don’t understand the issue/have a hidden agenda. Those thread do little more than entertainment for some bored forum dwellers for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/32 "2021-10-07T17:01:33Z")
And you put all of this on ur limited knowledge again. Im sure you know but jsut to makes sure you know. “V” is the shortcut ofthe directional scanners. What do you do when you see combat probes out? 1. You count how many you see. If its less than 8 you are not the target of the probes or the probes are set to 14+ AU 2.If its 8(or more) you set ur directional scanner to 1 AU 2. You press “V” and count again. Is it 8 or more? Yes-\>They are on you-\>warp No-\>Keep pressing “V” while observing hostiles. You see you fundamentally fail to understand what to do when being combat probed and you think what you do works. But it only works because they have their attention on their main characters. Since you assmue you Scout with ur main i will have to tell you this as well. You dont. You based ur whole theory on someone not paying attention and catching them afk. This is why you have limited knowledge and will never understand what the problem is. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/33 "2021-10-07T17:02:39Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > What do you do when you see combat probes out? He’s flying a shuttle. He warps off to another bookmark on grid and ignores the combat probes, as he can instantly warp off. At least that’s what the guys that I smartbombed tried doing. And if you can scare away a scouting shuttle by sending out combat probes, problem solved? ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/34 "2021-10-07T17:02:48Z")
There are no opposing arguments here. Ur argument is theycant tackle or cloak or probe. But thats now what the topic isabout. So that argument makes no sense at all. Gerard doesnt know the basics ofthegame and doesnt even understand what we are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_whiteeye/32/473463_2.png) [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_WhiteEye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/35 "2021-10-07T17:04:30Z")
You dont “hide” on the same grid you see combat probes on 1 au directional scan. Bro you have serious issues. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/36 "2021-10-07T17:04:58Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > Gerard doesnt know the basics ofthegame and doesnt even understand what we are talking about. I seriously doubt that. You already [tried](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/29) explaining why I didn’t know the basics of the game, but [failed](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/30). Maybe you’re the one who’s missing basic knowledge? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/37 "2021-10-07T17:27:10Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > There are no opposing arguments here. > Ur argument is theycant tackle or cloak or probe. The opposing argument is that while shuttles are cheap, they’re worse than other scouting ships as they are: - more easily killed - slower in warp - incapable of helping in combat, like: – covops cynos, or – tackle, or – combat probing, or – extra damage - much slower on grid - unable to cloak to scout unseen So yes, you can scout in a shuttle. Now what? How would you abuse the shuttle in a way that you cannot do better in another ship? Their low price is the only redeeming factor I see for shuttle scouts. That hardly makes them a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/38 "2021-10-07T17:48:28Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > There are no opposing arguments here. Being stuck in step 4 for a while is also a common occurrence in those threads. Nothing new there. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/39 "2021-10-07T22:39:35Z")
> [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > I see. You have 0 idea of how 0.0 works. Or what people do there. Everything you say is irrevelant since you dont understand tha basic concept of scouting/0.0 warfare. Cept the tactic is available to both sides son. Both sides can employ tactic so your complaints are DOA. Yea. You can sit all the way down now. > [@Cpt\_WhiteEye](#): > > here are no opposing arguments here. Oh there are. And they’ve wrecked yours. Just because you refuse to acknowledge, doesn’t make it not true lol. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171/41 "2021-10-08T02:21:01Z")
LOL. Lets assume we agree with you that the shuttle is the “perfect scout”. Literally, every single corp/alliance in null can use this “perfect scout”. So if they are scouting you, scout them back bro. It is literally a tactic everyone can use. Ergo, not broken and working as intended. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttle-is-the-new-go-to-scout-is-this-reasonable/331171.md?page=3)