# Shuttles are not safe **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 9, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527 "2025-11-09T13:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/83 "2025-11-11T22:35:46Z")
The **hecate** Has an align speed less than a second with implants making it untargetable., even by somebody as awesome as me. **1 billion isk** as a thankyou would be perfectly acceptable ![laugh 8](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/3/3/e33d08f0245e01a7ca6fd4e8ae16b440064d5c40.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/84 "2025-11-12T01:54:48Z")
It can still get popped at a gate camp under the right circumstances/timing and you know that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/85 "2025-11-12T02:49:31Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > BLOPs are one of the safest ships to travel in high sec, by the way. Albeit slow. If flown right, of course, they are uncatchable unless you have some bad luck or you F up yourself. > > And yes, I have taken BLOPs through Uedama countless times. They can’t warp while cloaked or align with any great speed. Their combat and defenses are subpar for a battleship. Its one claim to fame is a jump drive that doesn’t work in High Sec. I’ve got ships that outperform it (except the jump drive thing). ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/86 "2025-11-12T04:37:39Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > They can’t warp while cloaked. Their combat and defenses are subpar for a battleship. Absolutely. But that stuff is not necessary to be ‘uncatchable’. Their align speed isn’t bad though. Not as good as a frigate’s, but for a BS it’s agile enough. > [@Glenduil](#): > > Its one claim to fame is a jump drive that doesn’t work in High Sec. I’ve got ships that outperform it (except the jump drive thing). I’m sure you have hulls that outperform BLOPs. Don’t doubt it. But BLOPs do have that 1 characteristic that makes them great for gate-to-gate travel, ironically. It is very difficult to catch a BLOPs on a gate outside nullsec, and you’ll mostly only catch pilots who don’t know how to fly the hull. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/87 "2025-11-12T06:58:36Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > The **hecate** > > Has an align speed less than a second with implants making it untargetable., even by somebody as awesome as me. > > **1 billion isk** as a thankyou would be perfectly acceptable Smartbombs could get rid of it though. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/88 "2025-11-12T21:20:11Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > They can’t warp while cloaked or align with any great speed. Their combat and defenses are subpar for a battleship. Its one claim to fame is a jump drive that doesn’t work in High Sec. I’ve got ships that outperform it (except the jump drive thing). Their combat capability is irrelevant because you’re not actually going to be engaging in combat. Their defenses are generally _good enough_. Not being able to warp while cloaked isn’t that big of a deal because their cloaked velocity bonus means they _can_ align while cloaked without the MWD trick. I probably still wouldn’t haul major assets through Uedama with one simply because there’s not a very compelling reason to do that when you have a jump drive. The extreme reluctance to leave high sec is sort of weird, but I see that you were previously in ABSOW and I suppose that could explain a few things. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/89 "2025-11-12T21:31:56Z")
Yeah I know they move fast while cloaked. Doesn’t make them safe. It helps
 but I’d rather cloak off a gate just before warping off at 11.4 AU/s in a ship that can warp while cloaked. Same odds but a much faster speed. All I have to do is be as fast as I can with the cloak button. I have another ship that can warp 14 AU/s if I really want to push it. Neither are sure things. I’m sure half a dozen people are already itching to tell me all about the 50 ways I can still be caught, but I like my odds over the odds of a battleship that eventually has to decloak after a hundred zigs and zags. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/90 "2025-11-12T21:35:29Z")
A 6k m3 hauling Redeemer, or a 5k m3 Sin with better agility, is actually a hilarious idea. If you uncloak it it warps off. ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/91 "2025-11-12T21:55:06Z")
Glad we’ve got a _Public Service Announcement_ department now. Can’t wait for the “asteroids contain minerals” and “water confirmed wet” threads. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/92 "2025-11-12T22:15:01Z")
You’d be surprised how often new players ask ‘why would someone kill their cheap ship’. When I saw that kill I figured I’d make this thread for two purposes: - **easy linking** , whenever the next new player asks why people kill cheap ships - **entertainment** , because I thought the kill was pretty hilarious and was worth sharing Welcome to the forum, new forum posting alt! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/93 "2025-11-13T01:46:46Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You’d be surprised how often new players ask ‘why someone killed their cheap ship’. Ahh, so new players **are** getting ganked in-game
 Guess that proves just how much đŸ’© CCP Rice was spewing in his 2015 FF presentation.. The one that gankers love to link as proof that they don’t gank new players
 đŸ€Ł ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/94 "2025-11-13T06:59:45Z")
Well the one I had in mind was a thread of a returning ‘new’ player who was surprised someone killed their auto-piloting shuttle in HS. Tried looking for it, but cannot find the thread back now. So not really a new player in terms of age, just in experience. I however wasn’t talking about HS in specific. I don’t know what it is that made you think I did. Most of the time new players lose their cheap ships outside HS, so not even a gank at all. Like how this shuttle was killed outside HS. If you’ve got some indication gankers are massively targeting ships of players under 30 days old in high security space, please share! ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/95 "2025-11-13T08:07:32Z")
> [@Namdor](#): > > their cloaked velocity bonus means they _can_ align while cloaked without the MWD trick. People underestimate that characteristic. BLOPs cloaked velocity is actually _greater_ than their uncloaked velocity. Good luck catching one. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/96 "2025-11-13T08:47:25Z")
Well, first off a returning player isn’t a new player.. And a new Alt character is definitely not new either
 In fact most new player’s who have never played Eve Online are mainly located in High Sec space for the first couple of weeks learning how to play by running Career Agent missions and or doing the Level 1 SOE Epic Arc
 Secondly, when you say ‘New Player’, it should only refer to those who have never played Eve before, because everybody else already knows how Eve works
 And only a brand new player who has never played Eve would be wondering why their cheap ship got blown up by somebody else
 As for me thinking it was referring to ganks in High Sec, because when anybody attempts to enter Low or Null sec space for the first time, there’s an on-screen pop-up warning box that needs to be clicked before the game continues, same goes for entering Pirate Insurgency systems, Sansha Incursion systems, etc.. But hey, ok, let’s just backtrack on the whole statement of ‘New Players’ asking why someone killed their cheap ship.. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/97 "2025-11-13T09:10:43Z")
I’m sorry that HS is not the context I play EVE in and is not the first thing on my mind. It’s usual for players to lose their first ship when they venture out of HS for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/98 "2025-11-13T11:07:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > wondering why their cheap ship got blown up by somebody else
 Zaera’s cheap ship got blown up by Concord ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/99 "2025-11-13T12:24:14Z")
Gerard, the example you mentioned involves a returning pilot, outside high security, killed in a non-gank situation. That doesn’t really connect to the question of new players being targeted by gankers in high security space. The topic here is about high security travel and high security ganking, so keeping the focus on that helps avoid mixing unrelated situations into the discussion. When examples from low or null get added to an HS topic, it can make the two conversations overlap in ways that muddy the point. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/100 "2025-11-13T12:34:46Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > The topic here Is a kill in low sec. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/101 "2025-11-13T12:40:09Z")
The topic, created by Gerard, has nothing to do with either hisec or ganking. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527/102 "2025-11-13T12:41:38Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > The topic here is about high security travel and high security ganking, so keeping the focus on that helps avoid mixing unrelated situations into the discussion. I live rentfree in your head. With gankery regards -James Fuchs [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shuttles-are-not-safe/500527.md?page=6)