# Sick of the PvP fantasy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896 "2022-04-25T11:47:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/23 "2022-04-25T12:53:00Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > this is one of the ways he has to vent his feelings… sadly. Another poster putting off his feeling onto me I’m not venting - I’m calling out the gankers that thing their activity is PvP - so far, nobody has the guts to take me up on it - I get more than my share of PvP without doing it in EVE ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/24 "2022-04-25T12:55:46Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I get more than my share of PvP without doing it in EVE and you get your share in EVE to wanting or not ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/25 "2022-04-25T12:57:58Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > EVE is NOT a PvP If EVE is not a PvP game, the why did you write a thread where you complain about the PvP in EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/26 "2022-04-25T12:58:45Z")
Maybe…you call that PvP? Ha I call it lurking around gates waiting for defenseless ships to pass, jumping on miners without guns in a belt, attacking anybody solo with a 20-man fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/27 "2022-04-25T13:00:10Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > why did you write a thread where you complain about the PvP in EVE? I didn’t - I’m complaining about calling EVE a PvP game when it isn’t. It’s a sandbox game that contains PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/28 "2022-04-25T13:00:19Z")
Ok, so you are just mad about semantics? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/29 "2022-04-25T13:01:11Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Ok, so you are just mad about semantics? lets all agree that eve is a sandbox game that contains PVP them problem solved 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/30 "2022-04-25T13:01:26Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Ok, so you are just mad about semantics? Go back and read the thread - I’m not mad. I’ve said it, you didn’t read that part, I guess I’m calling out the gankers in a game where players are equal and can’t jump on defenseless victims ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/31 "2022-04-25T13:03:08Z")
You people don’t even read the threads you respond to - you just fire away some irrelevant point you want to make and ignore the real point of the thread Pay attention, ganker ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/32 "2022-04-25T13:04:42Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I hereby invite you to join me in War Thunder - which IS a real PvP game - and I’ll blow you right out of the sky Sounds terrifying. Why would we do that? It’s much safer, and more enjoyable, to blow you up here. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/33 "2022-04-25T13:05:31Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I’m not mad. please calm down miner > [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I’m calling out the gankers in a game where players are equal and can’t jump on defenseless victims Yeah EVE isn’t an arena style PvP game with matches and balanced teams. Not all games have to be the same you know. EVE is a multiplayer PvP sandbox. Sure, you can cry all day about how dunking a “defensless” miner isn’t up to your ebushido standards, but at the end of the day no one cares and you should probably just get a mining permit and follow the orders of your local New Order Agent miner. ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/34 "2022-04-25T13:06:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sounds terrifying. Why would we do that? It’s much safer, and more enjoyable, to blow you up here. Thank you for that - at least somebody in here has a sense of humor. 😍 ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/35 "2022-04-25T13:07:34Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > lets all agree that eve is a sandbox game that contains PVP them > problem solved 😃 I could agree that EVE is a game that contains PvP… and also way too much mining. I believe the OP would be happier if they didn’t mine. Gankers just don’t always have a good way with words. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/36 "2022-04-25T13:07:54Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > gankers don’t go about killing adversaries, they get their jollies killing defenseless miners and freighters A barge can now carry 5 medium drones…so is not exactly ‘defenceless’. I was in a mining fleet the other day where there were potentially 25 drones available for defence. I also sometimes stand guard over corp mining fleets in a Moa or Gnosis…something I think more corp members should do ( after all, they will get defended when its their turn to mine ). And although I initially argued against it…I agree with Gix that anyone mining in a Venture has no excuse for being ganked. With dscan and Local ( set so gankers show in red ), and with proper mining practice ( mine away from the landing point )…a Venture ought to be long gone before any gankers show up. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/37 "2022-04-25T13:08:40Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > A barge can now carry 5 medium drones OP has a solo killmails in a barge he killed a frigate ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/38 "2022-04-25T13:09:06Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Sure, you can cry all day about how dunking a “defensless” miner isn’t up to your ebushido standards, but at the end of the day no one cares and you should probably just get a mining permit and follow the orders of your local New Order Agent miner. I don’t need a mining permit - I don’t mine in a place where I need one - and if you find me I’ll move…so - at least I learned my lessons getting “dunked” ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/39 "2022-04-25T13:10:20Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > OP has a solo killmails in a barge > he killed a frigate Yeah, I seem to remember killing somebody that jumped in on me and TRIED to obliterate me - strictly defensive, I assure you ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/40 "2022-04-25T13:10:39Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I don’t need a mining permit - the only permit needed ![permit](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/d/c/cdca6a2fdb1b6e2ae59b0f5dfba7d6c7f475b01b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/41 "2022-04-25T13:12:35Z")
THAT I agree with ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/42 "2022-04-25T13:18:06Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > I don’t need a mining permit I think the permits are 10 million ISK or something like that. Which is 30 times the cost of my Venture. As the Venture collects 500K ISK per trip…it more than pays for itself with one trip. In fact I could get ganked once every 2 trips and still make a profit. So the gankers can take their permit and shove it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896.md?page=3)