# Sick of the PvP fantasy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896 "2022-04-25T11:47:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/83 "2022-04-25T18:40:08Z")
What is this War Thunder? How much $$? Your implication is that it isn’t pay to win. True? ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/84 "2022-04-25T18:45:04Z")
If you gank someone in high sec outside of there being a reason, such as a kill right or they being a full on flash criminal, Concord WILL get you. Or did I miss yet another weird game mechanic switcheroo. ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/85 "2022-04-25T18:50:46Z")
I recently found this amazing out of game tool: > **[localthreat](https://localthreat.xyz/)** > > localthreat is a tool to help EVE Online players with threat assessment. highlight local, ctrl-c it, ctrl-v it into the tool and it does the homework. Fantastic. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/86 "2022-04-25T19:06:36Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > If there where no gankers there would be no reason to not AFK haul stuff no matter how expensive in max cargo fitted ships. There would be no opportunities for freighting services and far less profitable arbitrage trading in highsec. To someone hauling on autopilot, gankers are less dangerous then gate rats. Just earlier today I saw some Battlecruiser get blown up by an EDENCOM gatecamp thingy in Sasta, after it had autopiloted all the route up from Providence… including the 160 CODE dessie Esescama. I lost more mining ships to rats then to gankers, too. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > For miners there would be no reason to not use a max yield bling Hulk. If there is no threat why would you even need to think about tank or appropriate ship fitting? A retriever is less expensive and provides more afk-yield then a hulk. AFK-ability is more important then yield. And price is important because when you’re not afk and want to mine elsewhere, for the price of one hulk you can buy you 4 retrievers and a travelceptor/condor/slasher/… , which enables you to leave some barges in the other system(s) and travelling between the mining systems with the frigate, saving you quite a bit of actual playtime over attempting to travel with a Hulk. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > We get this opinion a lot around here. It’s usually from people who simply don’t understand the concept of EVE PvP. OPs comparison to arena PvP shows how locked in place his thinking is on the matter. Eve has it’s arena PVP, too. It’s called PVP filaments > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > How is ganking different from let’s say a gate camp? Or a bomber squad dropping on a rorq? Your going to die fast when its 1v40 XD Rorquals aren’t going to die fast in an 1vs40. The difference of facing 40 blops, t3c, bombers, anticap dreads, …, and facing 4 of them is in fact insignificant to the amount of time it needs them to wreck the Rorqual as it’s defined by it’s invulnerability window rather then edps-to-ehp figures. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Nah…mining right under the nose of Safety, without a permit, is just about the most enjoyable thing you can do in Eve 🙂 > > Calm down gankers ! Safety doesn’t gank things that won’t refund their lost destroyers. All “law and order” talk is just talk. Fit some blue or green modules on the venture, and you’ll see how quick they can come for you. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > EVE is a multiplayer PvP sandbox. Eve is a sandbox that among other things allows PVP. No belts = no miners = no ganked miners No escallations = no blingy escalation marauders = no expensive marauder killmails. No income from market divergence trading = no greedy autopiloting freighters = no loot pinata The more CCP nerfs the non-pvp elements of the game, the less pvp will remain. Other then PVP filament arenas with login-reward ships (Praxis/Gnosis/…) and/or cash store ships (destroyer/cruiser/frigate bundle pack) of cause. ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/87 "2022-04-25T19:36:10Z")
> [@LowKey\_Chandler](#): > > What is this War Thunder? How much $$? Your implication is that it isn’t pay to win. True? True - you can play it for free - you can also pay to increase the rewards you get from playing or pay to buy planes, tanks, choppers or ships. But it IS possible to play the entire game for free - it just takes longer to get ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/88 "2022-04-25T20:17:13Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > let me do my mining in peace lol This sentence right here shows it’s a pvp game. Now stop being dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/89 "2022-04-25T20:42:57Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > you can also pay to increase the rewards you get from playing or pay to buy planes, tanks, choppers or ships. Oh. So its PTW. But supposedly people are equal? LOL yea bud, you just sank your own battleship with this comment 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/90 "2022-04-25T20:59:17Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > EVE is NOT a PvP game, although it contains that kind of play > [@The Permanent Green Safety Brigade](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-permanent-green-safety-brigade/359974): > > [image] This PvP game would be great if it weren’t for all the PvP! We’ve all seen the threads -guys asking for PvP free zones or PvE only servers. Not to mention the uncountable infinity of douche bags asking for ganking to “be properly balanced.” They assert that non-consensual PvP is driving newbros away in droves, and that Eve is on the cusp of greatness… CCP only need to change one little thing… they just need change the fundamental nature of the game. That’s all. pfft. Dipshits. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/91 "2022-04-25T21:52:37Z")
What he did to his own battleships in eve was even worse. Thank god they have been put out of their misery 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Sampl\_Boirelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sampl_boirelle/32/350907_2.png) [@Sampl\_Boirelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sampl_Boirelle)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/92 "2022-04-25T22:19:30Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > You are missing the point that I don’t care if I lose a ship and I DO have armed ships in EVE, the best. > > That’s not my point - the point is attacking unarmed ships for fun - that’s not PvP, that’s murder plain and simple - some of us, just like in real life, oppose murder and mayhem and that’s all ganking is… > > I don’t choose to PvP in EVE - it’s a one-sided affair and the winner of such an affair is the player with the most SP and best fit - it has little to do with skill If you don’t care then what are you complaining about. When a ship piloted by a human player attacks another ship that is piloted by a human player then that is PVP. What do you do with what you mine? You did choose to play PVP because This is EVE Online. an MMORPG where everyone is occupying the same space and can be interacted with. I am an “industrialist” in game I Mine and build ships for me and I get ganked every now and then just like anybody else in the game but that is because i wont be paying attention to what is happening in system. the vast majority of ganks can be prevented by just paying attention and reading the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/93 "2022-04-26T01:51:23Z")
> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#): > > gankers don’t go about killing adversaries, they get their jollies killing defenseless miners and freighters Who are more often than not my adversaries. Economic warfare is valid. ---
**Author:** ![GalactusGalactuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galactusgalactuss/32/423434_2.png) [@GalactusGalactuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GalactusGalactuss)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/94 "2022-04-26T02:28:12Z")
Pipe down miner. ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/95 "2022-04-26T11:20:04Z")
You guys are lowlarious and pathetic - same 'ol responses to this topic, I should have known better Not ONE of you takes me up on my challenge Words not actions - oh well, keep jumping on defenseless players, I guess that rocks your socks ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/96 "2022-04-26T11:48:34Z")
What challenge? To play en entirely different game from the one they are interested in? Why would we do that? EVE is the game we enjoy, and has the types of player vs player interactions we enjoy. If you prefer arena PvP, that’s fine, but that’s not the _only_ PvP out there. Your lack of interest/enjoyment of gameplay doesn’t make it non-existent or false, nor invalid for others to enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Offensive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_offensive/32/401971_2.png) [@Dr\_Offensive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Offensive)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/97 "2022-04-26T12:00:19Z")
If you want fair PVP in EVE head over to the Abyssal Proving Grounds. If you want to avoid being ganked while mining , then mine in a tanked battleship. If you want to play War Thunder then go and play it. Now that I have solved all your problems can you please shut up ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Basse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_basse/32/388256_2.png) [@Dom\_Basse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Basse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/98 "2022-04-26T12:39:33Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/0/f/40fc130d2c23e11dc24a2b27615818452e4d3e39.jpeg) i’ll fight you in war thunder if you’re willing to duel me at the torrinos sun in a corvette of your choosing with any modules on it ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/99 "2022-04-26T13:09:32Z")
EvE is a pvp game, plain and simple. Also, play a real tank game, like world of tanks. I’ll meet you on the field with any tier. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/100 "2022-04-26T13:22:37Z")
War Thunder is not real PvP - it is arena combat, like professional wrestling. Real PvP is unscripted, with the potential for permanent loss. In such situations, it is natural for the strong to dominate the weak. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/101 "2022-04-26T13:24:34Z")
Reminder that locator agents are a thing. Use a representative alt to protect your main when speaking on the forums ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/102 "2022-04-26T13:25:13Z")
> [@Arumi\_Liz](#): > > Use a representative alt to protect your main when speaking on the forums This is my only character. I am not afraid of the forum bullies. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896.md?page=6)