# Sick of the PvP fantasy

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [April 25, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896 "2022-04-25T11:47:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/103 "2022-04-26T13:26:34Z")

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> **[Aiko Danuja | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114209292/)**
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> Aiko Danuja: 13,363 ships destroyed and 1,223 ships lost.

That is because you are the bully

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/104 "2022-04-26T13:26:53Z")

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😲

Woah!

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**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/105 "2022-04-26T13:35:28Z")

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You’re the real deal, for sure. I’ve seen you in that swarm. Thank heavens there are A LOT OF SYSTEMS IN EVE.

Now @CCP, please bring back simple war decs. Stop relegating the fun to the rich palace owners. If you must protect the young players, don’t let them leave their beginner systems until they’ve done all their tutorials and signed their race’s “Declaration of Guts Enough to Fly.”

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**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/106 "2022-04-26T13:38:18Z")

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Honestly, we just need more pve and item/ship content. The pve content should be public as to encourage conflict.

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**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/107 "2022-04-26T14:11:11Z")

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Based

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**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/108 "2022-04-26T14:15:39Z")

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I cam to the conclusion that Eve’s “meaningfull” PVP is largely economic. That, where a true test of mettle and skill is concerned, match-up games without an economy reward the most skillful players. Not the richest players, or the most popular players, nor the ones with the most time on their hands. But those truly the best at the combat itself.

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**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/109 "2022-04-26T15:23:10Z")

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> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> _absolutely no clue_ that CCP is going to announce the server sharding

I found the shards…

![Quake_II_Armor_Shards](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/9/f/19fada42261a32532a449b945f1e777798e1c0e5.png)

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/110 "2022-04-26T15:55:07Z")

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> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#):
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> Not ONE of you takes me up on my challenge

So, like, I realize that this is a “fun” thread and all, but it’s still built upon the shaky foundation of the fallacy that gankers et al. can’t wipe their own asses in any environment outside of EVE’s Uedama.

Well, _no._ We’d dominate you in all those other games too. It comes down to attitude, and we play to win, unlike you, who plays to “have fun” or whatever other excuse you come up with for doing badly in a competitive environment. Because to us, winning _is_ fun. You? You’ll _always_ be the one who cries about not getting a turn to fly the jet in Battlefield.

The actual reason that no one’s taking you up on your challenge is that your choice of game _sucks._ It’s some unknown, obscure P2W title that not a single person but you has ever heard of or played. It’s not worth the effort to even install it.

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**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/111 "2022-04-26T16:27:34Z")

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Take up my challenge of flying a blingy ship in PVP regularly without dying lmao.

I drop blopses all the time on things. Sure, you could say it’s pretty one-sided, but then I’m doing it without capital support and often dropping on people who do have capital support. If they counter-drop me then the shoe’s on the other foot innit. Dozens upon dozens of drops later, taking the bait, I’m still here.

Bet you wouldn’t be.

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**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/112 "2022-04-26T16:30:28Z")

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lmao grow up

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**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/113 "2022-04-26T16:51:12Z")

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That is grown up considering the gankers use alts themselves

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/114 "2022-04-26T16:53:53Z")

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Prove it.

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**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/115 "2022-04-26T16:54:54Z")

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Giving the gankers ammo to work with? That would be naive and childish. Only someone totally clueless would.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/116 "2022-04-26T16:59:41Z")

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That’s right, you can’t.

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**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/117 "2022-04-26T17:06:19Z")

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I’m not your lackey. You prove it

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/118 "2022-04-26T17:16:01Z")

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lol

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/119 "2022-04-26T17:41:45Z")

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> [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](#):
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> Not ONE of you takes me up on my challenge

Why would we want to play a PTW game?

> [@Arumi\_Liz](#):
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> Use a representative alt to protect your main when speaking on the forums

Never have 😃 No one has tried to kill me yet 😃

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/120 "2022-04-26T19:24:58Z")

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> [@Arumi\_Liz](#):
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> Reminder that locator agents are a thing. Use a representative alt to protect your main when speaking on the forums

Locator agents?

Yes, they are a thing, yet no one has ever used one to come see me in Q-5211 in Pure Blind, even though I do a lot of ‘unprotected’ posting on the forums.

I do however have a suspicion that it is not the location of your main which you’re hiding, but your zkillboard.

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**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/121 "2022-04-26T21:34:05Z")

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But if someone puts in all this effort into gating the long and treacherous 4 jumps deep into nullsec from the warm and comforting high security system of Torrinos, who is going to make up their lack of effort being put into Eve forum posts?

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**Author:** ![Abu\_Ahmed\_Al-Kuwaiti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abu_ahmed_al-kuwaiti/32/510981_2.png) [@Abu\_Ahmed\_Al-Kuwaiti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abu_Ahmed_Al-Kuwaiti)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sick-of-the-pvp-fantasy/359896/122 "2022-04-26T22:45:04Z")

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so make a better fit?

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