# Since market fees are robbing us blind, how do you sell stuff? **URL:** \ **Category:** Science & Industry\ **Created:** [November 4, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125 "2020-11-04T20:49:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/22 "2020-11-09T15:41:00Z")
the comment he referred to was a comment I posted to the only 2 replies to this thread, 4 days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/23 "2020-11-09T15:42:35Z")
> [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > Because if you think that the 0.01 isk game before was good the 0.01 isk game wasn’t great but it wasn’t too bad either… At least we had opportunity to actively selling our stuff when we were at keyboard. now we gotta go with lowball estimate with no chance to adjust??? This is just plain retarded. > [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > oh, also, as soon as you use “robbing us blind”, “predatory”, “robbed”, “idiotic”, etc… words, you appear as a whining and agressive guy, and your opinion will be less examined… think about that, next time you wanna write a constructive post. because prohibitive cost is what it is… having to pay 6% every time I adjust or wanna sell something is exactly that!! ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Yoshun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/professor_yoshun/32/291146_2.png) [@Professor\_Yoshun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Professor_Yoshun)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/24 "2020-11-09T15:51:52Z")
Just wait until they implement the new overstock tax. Anything that doesnt sell after 48 hours gets charged an ever increasing percentage of tax based on the hours not sold since listed up to 100% of the sale price of the item when it does sell or directly back into the relist fees if relisted. an incentive to sell fast! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/25 "2020-11-09T16:38:55Z")
> [@Robert\_Caldera](#): > > having to pay 6% every time I adjust or wanna sell something is exactly that!! stop adjusting your price then? you’re causing this problem yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/26 "2020-11-09T17:05:17Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > stop adjusting your price then? you’re causing this problem yourself. well, this is exactly the issue, stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/27 "2020-11-09T17:46:36Z")
You don’t deserve sympathy. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/28 "2020-11-09T20:13:30Z")
I don’t seek sympathy here, I’d rather prefer CCP not eviscerating industry and trading with idiotic changes like this. Whats the point? Punishing active players who were willing to spend their time on 0.01 isking, in favor of people who were crying for a change so they could sell their ■■■■ afk??? Is it removal of ISK from the economy??? Or is the genuine reason for this ruining ingame isk-making, to boost revenue and PLEX sales on behalf of CCPs new owner??? If it really was about 0.01 isking they could’ve just changed the cooldown to 1h or something like that, instead of destroying profits with ridiculous fees. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/29 "2020-11-09T21:32:01Z")
If you’re not looking for sympathy, you didn’t actually need to make a post complaining about how it’s more important to initially list according to the value of what you’re trying to sell. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/30 "2020-11-09T21:39:04Z")
I think he just wanted to vent his emotions and feel heard. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/31 "2020-11-09T21:56:46Z")
> [@Robert\_Caldera](#): > > well, this is exactly the issue Yeah, glad you’ve figure it out. If you stop adjusting your prices, you’ll stop eating relist fees. problem solved. like i said at the beginning, price your stuff correctly the first time and you won’t have to relist. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/32 "2020-11-09T21:57:08Z")
no actually I started this thread to actually see how people sell their stuff. because market seems to me pretty unviabe nowadays with these abhorrent fees… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/33 "2020-11-09T21:58:34Z")
People are listing high value stuff here on the forums. It makes me laugh - Eve has two things that none of the other MMOs have: a working market and a PvP-everywhere universe. Adding a bunch of excess market fees is completely at odds with having an efficient market. Whatever. CCP knows what the are doing, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/34 "2020-11-09T22:00:43Z")
its mostly T2 modules I used to build from T2 BPOs. Yet selling them at lowball prices defies its purpose to me, since the margins were slim even before the change… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/35 "2020-11-09T22:02:03Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Adding a bunch of excess market fees is completely at odds with having an efficient market. The point of market fees was not to “have an efficient market”. It was to remove a braindead style of gameplay where the only thing you needed to do was 0.01 isk every 5 minutes more than the other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/36 "2020-11-09T22:03:23Z")
I would deem a market where you cannot adjust prices, not just inefficient but completely dysfunct. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/37 "2020-11-09T22:04:36Z")
> [@Robert\_Caldera](#): > > I would deem a market where you cannot adjust prices, not just inefficient but completely dysfunct Cool, no one cares. Again, “efficient market” wasn’t the point of the change, so you’re not even talking about the same thing these market fees were intended to address. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/38 "2020-11-09T22:05:26Z")
what then?? Kneecapping all at-keyboard players favoring all the afk economical aces? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/39 "2020-11-09T22:05:57Z")
> [@Robert\_Caldera](#): > > Kneecapping all at-keyboard players favoring all the afk economical aces? Try reading? I already answered it above. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > It was to remove a braindead style of gameplay where the only thing you needed to do was 0.01 isk every 5 minutes more than the other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Caldera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robert_caldera/32/385243_2.png) [@Robert\_Caldera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robert_Caldera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/40 "2020-11-09T22:07:21Z")
its a market, man, you put up stuff for sale there. It is braindead per concept. Nobody wants it to be anything other than that, just a place for SELLING STUFF!! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125/41 "2020-11-09T22:07:42Z")
> [@Robert\_Caldera](#): > > its a market, man, you put up stuff for sale there. It is braindead per concept. And yet here you are whining about it for some reason. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/since-market-fees-are-robbing-us-blind-how-do-you-sell-stuff/278125.md?page=3)