# Siphon needs to be adjusted to work on the Metenox drill **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646 "2024-08-03T07:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/1 "2024-08-03T07:04:29Z")
The Siphon deployable needs to be useable on the Metenox moon drill, so as to enable people to take advantage of the passive moon miners, previously we could ninja moon the Athanors, but now we can’t get at it, this is poor game design. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/2 "2024-08-03T17:33:04Z")
No, they need to add active raiding, not a passive one. I thought they could be raided like a skyhook, but I guess I’m wrong. Been solo exploring since before the release and haven’t played with them. Add that to drill, not the siphon. ---
**Author:** ![Tarax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarax/32/420205_2.png) [@Tarax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarax)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/3 "2024-08-05T13:13:04Z")
I completely agree Dracvlad. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/4 "2024-08-13T13:08:31Z")
> [@A better way for War dec's](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-better-way-for-war-decs/453828/193): > > Metenox Moon drill - Shield 1m HP, Armour 1m HP, Structure 24m HP ??? > Athanor - Shield 2.4m HP, Armour 1.2m HP, structure 1.2m HP Something I wrote elsewhere to just show how stupidly strong they are in comparison to a non-passive Athanor, CCP are clueless… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/5 "2024-08-13T13:29:29Z")
Seems like a reasonable request. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/6 "2024-08-21T06:53:57Z")
Wasn’t the idea that small groups could get content from these things, and yet: Shield 1m HP, EHP so 4m due to 75% resists, I am not sure that small groups really have the inclination to do that? Compares to Athanor 2.5m HP with 20% resists, so 3.125m, hmmmm. I am assuming that the RF is based on shields, but after that we have getting close to 30m to chew through to kill it, small groups, LMAO!!! They need adjusting, already these things are all over the place and hardly being shot, well played CCP, not! The siphon needs to be adjusted so people can use them on these things! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/7 "2024-08-21T10:17:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not sure that small groups really have the inclination to do that? Maybe the definition of “small group” is not the same for you and CCP. It does look to me that the design is made so that NOT every little roaming/wh/filament gang that happens to stick their nose into a random nullsec-system should be able to quickly RF these things. For an organized group that can bring 10-20 high-DPS ships or unfriendly neighbors that can even bring some dreads the task isn’t too hard to RF it for triggering a response. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/8 "2024-08-23T11:07:22Z")
I get that point, but I think the shield should be weaker than an Athanor, not stronger due to those resists, especially on the back of such huge structure EHP. Still I don’t disagree… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/9 "2024-08-23T18:13:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I get that point, but I think the shield should be weaker than an Athanor Oh I agree, but that is because Citadels are _way too weak_, both in defense and offense. But thats also part of the design-decisions CCP has made, all to cater the large groups. Not a good decision imho, but we are not gonna change it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/siphon-needs-to-be-adjusted-to-work-on-the-metenox-drill/457646/10 "2024-11-21T18:14:14Z")
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