# Skilling is Just a Means of Communication and non-aggressive playstyles **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086 "2020-03-06T18:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/142 "2020-03-11T16:15:42Z")
> [@Fonsui](#): > > Signal Cartel cannot by action or inaction intentionally cause or allow a situation to arise in which they are engaged in combat with another player. What’s your point? CCP is not forcing you to play by this rule, stop whining that your choices have consequences. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > When someone says “it would be best if a PvP event is structured in such a way as to include as many players as possible”, and the PvP-trolls all jump in with “f-off, go away, you’re carebear trash, we’ve been telling people like you to leave for years, EVE is a PvP game, you’re asking for crazy things, you suck”… Stop lying. The “go away carebear trash” post was aimed at someone who is insisting that EVE is not a PvP game and objecting to the entire concept of a PvP event, not the person who wants to modify the structure of a PvP event to include additional forms of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/143 "2020-03-11T16:31:27Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > this is not a pvp game this is a game that includes pvp. No no. It **is** a pvp game. The essential core concept of eve is a pvp sandbox. The pve in eve is a resource gathering tool designed to enable pvp. So if all the non-pvp players left, there would still be players doing both and running the economy. But if all the pvp’rs left the economy would goto ■■■■ and the game with it. Carebears can get fked. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/144 "2020-03-11T16:52:18Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > I bet CCP disagrees with you, this is not a pvp game this is a game that includes pvp. if everybody would leave who isnt playing pvp ccp could shut their gates and you would be force to leave as well… but i guess understanding basic causality needs more than 20 iq Yes, just like every online game, there is the majority of the playerbase that is just useful to pay the bills of the company, and there is the part that is actually participating actively in the game itself and is impactful and useful to the community. You are technically right, CCP does love players who just generate money. If being a cow only loved because it produces some milk makes you happy, that’s nice, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/145 "2020-03-11T18:29:28Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > > > [@Fonsui](#): > > > > > > > who do not generally, or ever, willingly engage in PvP combat. > > > > [/quote] > > > > > > > > Since it is a PvP game, the solution is simple, leave. > > > > I bet CCP disagrees with you, this is not a pvp game this is a game that includes pvp. if everybody would leave who isnt playing pvp ccp could shut their gates and you would be force to leave as well… but i guess understanding basic causality needs more than 20 iq > > They have stated outright that this is a PvP game and we have been telling people like you to leave for years. Having care bears leave is a GOOD thing because they all they do is complain about the game, wanting to change it into something it is not. Demanding content patches and stuff no one needs. > > Back to The River Fodder with you, you are too small to keep. ohhh, cry me more than the game isnt going to be what you want 😃 😃 😃 not like if anybody would care 😃 without the highsec bears you have NOTHING to play. get over it. your dream eve will never be a reality ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/146 "2020-03-11T18:33:42Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > without the highsec bears you have NOTHING to play Yeah, low, null and WH do not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/147 "2020-03-11T18:34:31Z")
> [@Fonsui](#): > > Hopefully this will land the way I want and frame the discussion in a more constructive manner. How about: no, ■■■■ off? ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/148 "2020-03-11T18:39:09Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > > > without the highsec bears you have NOTHING to play > > Yeah, low, null and WH do not exist. none of those will ever produce even a fraction what you need and will not bring in new players. highsec and carebears are to research build sell transport your ■■■■ around and grow newbros into werebros. like it or not. by the way, if you are so self sufficient in low and null why does it bother what others do in highsec? ohh, i know, in fact your only problem is that they dont want to let you to kill them because you are too low to fight others on your own level 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/149 "2020-03-11T18:41:44Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > none of those will ever produce even a fraction what you need Check economic reports. > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > will not bring in new players Epic nullsec battles certainly generate a lot of media coverage for EVE. > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > highsec and carebears are to research build sell transport your ■■■■ around You think these activities are impossible outside of highsec? If anything, they are even more profitable. > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > if you are so self sufficient in low and null why does it bother what others do in highsec? Are you asking me? I was never been in low or null. > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > i know, in fact your only problem is that they dont want to let you to kill them Are you sure? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/150 "2020-03-11T18:51:35Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > ohhh, cry me more than the game isnt going to be what you want 😃 😃 😃 not like if anybody would care 😃 without the highsec bears you have NOTHING to play. get over it. your dream eve will never be a reality Another deluded bear who thinks everyone in high sec is like him. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/151 "2020-03-11T19:31:04Z")
Im actually not in highsec but dont worry, i probably played this game longer than you lived and I spent 90% of my eve time in nullsec, still I value what highsec can add to the playerbase. if anybody, its you are the deluded ---
**Author:** ![Lana\_Griffen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lana_griffen/32/386763_2.png) [@Lana\_Griffen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lana_Griffen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/152 "2020-03-12T11:37:44Z")
Newbie question : is this only the person with the kill mail or does this works in fleets? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/153 "2020-03-12T19:09:37Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > Im actually not in highsec Correct. You’re not even playing the game at all! [Amun Doshu | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/91117191/) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/154 "2020-03-12T19:22:50Z")
So how much this toon cost you, Naari? ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/155 "2020-03-12T19:29:20Z")
your ignorance is breaking the sky 😃 you could check the history of the toon which shows it has never changed owner… but as for many other things in this game, you are stupid even for this ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/156 "2020-03-12T19:31:47Z")
And you are very rude, but at least I can educate myself. What is your excuse? Incidentally, how do I check that outside of the game? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Livingstone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tom_livingstone/32/191989_2.png) [@Tom\_Livingstone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tom_Livingstone)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/157 "2020-03-13T15:01:32Z")
Just consider being a new player in EvE. Wouldn’t it feel like CCP just put a crosshair on your ship? As a newby your skill trees are not up to par for PvP yet. You will have the disadvantage from every angle. Rendering the new capsuleer as a free lunch ticket to more seasoned players. As a result you will be buying or building ship after ship with your first hard earned ISK. It wouldn’t be surprising when this event turns new players away from the game. \*/disclaimer Not saying that PvP events shouldn’t be part of the game. \*/disclaimer ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/158 "2020-03-13T15:03:42Z")
What about new players that read what a game is about and want to pvp, rather than these apparently existing new players who downloaded it randomly? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/159 "2020-03-13T15:06:55Z")
Well a new player might _feel_ that way but that doesn’t make it reality. 10k SP is next to nothing. Very few people are going to load up a PvP ship and go get Concorded just for 10k SP. It’s been mentioned before, this isn’t enough to change people’s PvP behaviour except in very few cases. - If they weren’t going to gank you before, they won’t gank you now. - If they were going to gank you before, they’ll still gank you now. - If you’re not in high sec, you’re gonna get ganked regardless. - If they were 90% likely to gank you before but thought the potential reward didn’t _quite_ justify getting Concorded, they _might_ decide to gank you now. The primary benefit of this event for new players is that they can easily grab a cheap frigate in their beginner systems, arrange a duel, and get almost half a day’s worth of SP for free, and a little PvP practice tossed in. The downside is minimal. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/160 "2020-03-13T15:24:44Z")
> [@Tom\_Livingstone](#): > > As a newby your skill trees are not up to par for PvP yet. You may not be great solo but most long time vets aren’t either. However with the new greater sp CCP gives new toons even a day 1 character can be a useful part of a gang. I’m happy to have a new player help with tackle, be bait, etc. We give noobs free ships to lose and learn with. It’s sad that so many corps implant the idea that noobs are worthless and they need to chase more sp before joining PVP. With that attitude someone will be chasing forever never thinking they have enough. Better to start learning from day 1 how to PVP. Remember even a vet is capped at level v skills. A 200m sp vet at level v on a frigate is the same as a newer player with the same skills and only a few total sp. The vet has more mechanical knowledge of the game and can fly more variety but a new player can learn quickly and be just as good or even better than the vet. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086/161 "2020-03-13T15:26:24Z")
> [@Tom\_Livingstone](#): > > As a newby your skill trees are not up to par for PvP yet. You will have the disadvantage from every angle. Rendering the new capsuleer as a free lunch ticket to more seasoned players. This isn’t necessarily the case. Older players are just as much a target as you (which is to say hardly a target at all). An untanked hauler is an untanked hauler. It’s going down even if it’s a noob doing the ganking. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-is-just-a-means-of-communication-and-non-aggressive-playstyles/224086.md?page=9)