# Skilling Spree - THANK YOU CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 19, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552 "2020-03-19T10:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/63 "2020-03-20T11:40:53Z")
Sorry not sure why I replied to you was more of a general post. Out of interest if CCP released a mid state where it had more skills than alpha and less skills than omega but costed half the sub cost (or plex cost in game) would that be something worth considering for those that can’t be omega but are complaining about alpha being too limited. For example 1x training speed, T2 specializations up to skill 3 but can’t do anything capital related. Can probably do all content in game solo but less efficiently than an omega, there is incentive for them to upgrade to omega eventually when they want to progress and it allows alpha’s to take a smaller step into the universe of eve when they feel alpha’s are becoming too limiting to them but don’t want to commit fully to omega just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/65 "2020-03-20T15:54:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But the same happens with combat So you’re talking about multi-boxing alphas yes? Which I’m not. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Except of course that most botting is done in null on combat pilots killing rats, not doing missions. It was wide spread in distribution missions. Now i don’t think they should have locked em out of level 4 security missions and i said that at the time. But the bottom line was ‘botting’ Not ‘i don’t like it!’ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re the one that thinks they should be able to do pretty much anything f it’s related to combat PvP Capitals, cloaking, tech 1 ships only. Alphas are locked out of a significant amount pvp game play and are gimped at any level they can play. And keep in mind, alphas were made to pvp. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > but the other main reason was to allow someone to try out the game before they commit to paying. Nope. Ccp will tell you alphas are not a trial account. They aren’t meant for trying out the game as much as simply being able to play eve for free. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > At no point was it stated that alphas were there to blow stuff up. Pretty much was in the dev blog or forums at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Jinxton\_Twerkhill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinxton_twerkhill/32/271432_2.png) [@Jinxton\_Twerkhill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinxton_Twerkhill)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/66 "2020-03-20T22:38:54Z")
Is this topic for the current event or whatever? I can’t do the skill spree event because i am unable to kill other players to get the daily reward. They are all better than me and have better everything than me. This event is a waste of time for me unless someone does not mind standing still for me while i kill their ship. I don’t know how to pvp anyway in this game but i can kill the pve things and thats about it. I suck at the game and im ok with that because i suck at playing a lot of games. But i like gaming and i like this game so i am not discouraged but i just wanted to let CCP know that the current event is to hard for me and im sure there are other out there that might have the same issue or not but still i am just horrible. So if you see me in space please let me shoot down your ship so i can get points too and i am sorry that i am such a bad gamer on this game to have to resort to asking you guys to just let me kill your ship but thats my only way. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/67 "2020-03-20T22:42:30Z")
I guarantee that if you get into a blaster fit catalyst and fly around highsec, you will find somebody you can kill. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/68 "2020-03-20T23:49:25Z")
I’ve seen people asking in local for a kill me-kill you exchange. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/69 "2020-03-21T09:46:12Z")
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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/71 "2020-03-21T10:23:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No. Then what’s the problem? You said: > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yes, I know there are reasons, generally boiling down to “but veterans will use loads of alphas for XYZ”. But the same happens with combat and you seem to have no problem with that. So vets are using loads of alpha alts to pvp? Can you be more specific if it’s not multi-boxing? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But botting happens on omegas too, and like I pointed out can still happen on alphas because they aren’t prevented from flying ships that can effectively rat. Again, you seem to be using the excuse of botting to justify limiting alpha functionality to only the playstyle you like. Botting is different with alphas than omegas. You ban the alpha account and another one can be made at no cost. There’s a reason botting spiked with the birth of alphas. Alphas was part of the problem and so alphas were changed. If you want them to act upon alphas in pvp perhaps show them how alphas are cheating at pvp, or otherwise a problem. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m 100% certain I’ve seen CCP saying exactly that in their articles. > ## THE COULD BE BETTER > > We have these great signs that Alpha access to EVE is something the world wants, but, on the other hand, we also see evidence that the current Alpha experience is too restricted to hold players long term. Being an Alpha is often described more like an infinite trial period than a true free experience, and our data seems to back that up. New players decide if the game is right for them very quickly, then either leave or subscribe rather than playing as an Alpha long term. Of course, more Omegas is fantastic but we think many of the players who leave might be willing to stay around if subscription didn’t feel like a requirement. > > ### Expanded Alpha Set > > That’s where the new skill list comes in. By expanding the amount of skills available to Alphas, the free experience will be much deeper and more powerful. We hope that with a stronger free experience, we see more players staying around to play as Alphas even if they can’t subscribe right away. This makes EVE even stronger for all pilots, for as we know players _are_ the content in New Eden. > **[Clone States - The next steps | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/clone-states-the-next-steps)** > > Hi Clone People! If you were with us at EVE Vegas or watching it from home, you should know by now that we have some big plans for Clone States coming up. It’s time to start sharing the details of that plan so you can begin preparing for the release... The blog hints at vague references to alphas blowing stuff up but haven’t found a direct reference to alphas meant to go blow stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/72 "2020-03-21T10:36:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/73 "2020-03-21T11:18:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > They were made for people to be able to get a taste of the game and to bump up logged-in player numbers, not to make a fully functional combat pilot. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The problem is that alpha accounts are restricted in all playstyles except combat PvP. And when you add these two things together, the result is? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/74 "2020-03-21T11:46:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The problem is that alpha accounts are restricted in all playstyles except combat PvP What’s the relevance of this to this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/75 "2020-03-21T11:50:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The problem is that alpha accounts are restricted in all playstyles except combat PvP Hi Lucas, I thought I heard your voice 😀 There is a good reason for allowing alpha’s to partake in pvp. It’s the game’s design, you see. It would be quite unfair of CCP to attract new players via alpha status and block them from the very core aspect of the game. You say they are unrestricted in pvp, I say differently. Just look at the skills they’re allowed to level up and what limitations they have on the use and fitting of combat platforms. All simple words, I know, but true nevertheless, as so many people have tried to explain to you. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/76 "2020-03-21T11:51:20Z")
He likes going through all threads to recite his mantra ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/77 "2020-03-21T12:18:38Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You say they are unrestricted in pvp Oh dont fall for this obvious trap. He’s a big fan of pointing out PvP isnt just blowingup ships and that they are restricted from the actual money making parts of the game I mean, the fact that its being argued over really is missing the point. Alphas exist to REMOVE material from the game, not add it ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/78 "2020-03-21T12:25:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The problem is that alpha accounts are restricted in all playstyles except combat PvP. Yeah you’re just being disingenuous now. How many times have i said they are restricted in certain pve parts expressly to limit botting and scaling with alts (the latter is also in the dev blog i linked) They _are_ restricted in pvp. They are weaker in all variants of pvp by level cap and have no access to certain mods and ships. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Need a clean alt to drop into a corp for a bit of awox goodness? Grab an alpha. Is that the best you can come up with? And you wonder why people aren’t worried about pvp alphas when this is the worst scenario you can think of… You think this is as much a problem as all the botting that was going on? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > In what way were they changed to stop them botting? IIRC the last change was to broaden their skills so now they can be quite effectively used for botting in nullsec. Access to level4 missions. The vni was changed because of botters in general. Alphas used to be able to use tech2 medium drones but now have the skill limited to level4. Access to FW regarding ventures and warp stabs were changed due to botters in general. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/80 "2020-03-21T13:06:39Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The blog hints at vague references to alphas blowing stuff up but haven’t found a direct reference to alphas meant to go blow stuff up. Not jumping in on the back-and-forth between you guys, but just wanted to reply to this point. Because it’s come up in other threads what Alphas were ‘meant to do’ or not. Without specifically listing features and behaviours, Alphas were clearly meant and announced to be able to play and experience the game of EVE enough to learn it, participate in it, enjoy it, and hopefully become interested enough in it to become long-term players and hopefully payers. Now if ‘blowing stuff up and getting blown up’ isn’t an absolutely essential core experience for EVE that simply _must_ be available in order to learn, participate in and get engaged with EVE… then I’ve obviously been playing some other game for over a decade now. As you yourself are already aware, it doesn’t need a specific mention from the devs any more than when telling people “now take a deep breath” you need to remind them “oh yeah but remember you need air for that”. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/81 "2020-03-21T13:13:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The vast majority of bot income comes from null ratting, which alphas are allowed to enagage in, So aside from getting rid of alphas completely, what are ccp supposed to do about alphas running anoms? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But barely. Nowhere close to the same degree that they are limited in other playstyles. So? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So to be clear, you think level 4 missions were botted more than nullsec ratting? CCPs actual statistics disagree with you. They were botted a lot by alphas. End of. If you have a suggestion to stop players botting in null, have at it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > you don’t think the comparable solution is to restrict alpha accounts from using faction ships? > > Honestly, it feels like you hold a double standard about this. So… I have repeatedly posted about how alphas shouldn’t have access to faction ships. But I’m not sure ccp have a way to do it. Access to ships/mods is all done by skill books. Hence the medium drone change. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/83 "2020-03-21T13:16:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then you don’t think trade, industry or mining are core parts of the game? Alpha’s have restrictions on those parts of the game, just like they already have on combat pvp. You want more restrictions on combat pvp, I say that’s not necessary. And no, a discussion on what core parts are of Eve would only lead to a pointless discussion on what THE core part is. I’ve observed your knack for creating distractions that move posters away from your flawed premise. Looks like we’re at that point again. ![br2d1ebvpzlm](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/b/8b0b7269262779d30b7ddec5c68b47f124b3457b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/84 "2020-03-21T13:18:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Citation needed. Why are alphas able to receive NPC bounties then? You’re being absolutist. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/85 "2020-03-21T13:19:32Z")
Alphas can do combat, but they can’t do it in AFs and HACs and T3s and with advanced weapons systems and skills. They can do enough combat to participate. Alphas can do exploration, trade, mining and industry. They can’t do it at an advanced level, just like they can’t do combat at an advanced level. They can certainly do enough of it to see how they like it and if they want to do more of it. That’s pretty much what F2P/Alpha/unlimited length trial status is about. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/86 "2020-03-21T13:25:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What I have a problem with is that alphas can do the vast majority of PvP combat while they can’t engage in a meaningful way in any other playstyle. And how do you change that without opening it to bots… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552.md?page=5)