# Skilling Spree - THANK YOU CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 19, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552 "2020-03-19T10:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/89 "2020-03-21T13:45:50Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No I’m not, you stated that alphas are designed to remove material from the game, I’m asking for evidence and providing evidence that they are not. It’s not my fault if you hold positions that immediately fall apart under scrutiny. Yes, you are. Your position here leads to the inveitble comparision to how much an Alpha actually can earn in bounties compared to an Omega in anything. Youre either being disingenous for some reason or are attempting to deflect the point that Alphas cannot make as much as they are worth to destroy into a pointless debate over the definition of value. If you think they are fine as they are, why argue? If you think they should be removed, there is agreement, so why argue? If you think there’s a case for increasing thier ability to create wealth, what is it? Because you havent brought forward one. Do you have a reason to debate this, or is it just for fun? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/90 "2020-03-21T13:52:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Do you have a reason to debate this, or is it just for fun? he won’t tell you, it would spoil his fun ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/92 "2020-03-21T13:57:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What I’m saying is that I;ve seen no evidence to show that alphas are designed to remove material from the game and the activities they can take part in seem counter to that and so I require you to provide evidence. Then youve never stopped for five seconds to think about it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Do we have a reason to post at all on the forums? It’s something to do while trapped indoors during the current zombie apocalypse. So trolling for fun then. Im done here. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/94 "2020-03-21T14:33:48Z")
Taxing alphas for ratting is something that could be done. But we shouldn’t open up more industry. Even if it’s taxed, as long as it’s profitable it’s infinitely scalable. But that doesn’t do much for pvp which you seemed to think was a problem. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t know how to answer that because I don’t know how you think it would suddenly cause a surge in bots. Because it already did. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/95 "2020-03-21T14:40:12Z")
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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/96 "2020-03-21T15:07:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You can’t just skip over my statements then pretend I’ve not made them. If only you practiced what you preached… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > (namely no faction ships or T2 modules) and safety locked to green/yellow only. You still haven’t explained why this is necessary. Aside from faction ships, what problem are you solving? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Where? Again, CCPs data show that the vast majority of botting is from ratting in null. What data do you have that is better than data from CCP? Quote me where i said the majority of botting doesn’t come from null? ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/97 "2020-03-21T15:28:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/98 "2020-03-21T15:58:57Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve already stated it’s the lack of consistency in the mechanics which leaves it unbalanced. On it’s own is a poor argument. There is no amarr/gallente pirate ship. It’s inconsistent. Doesn’t mean we introduce a new line of ships just because…alphas weren’t restricted because of 'balance. They were restricted to stop alts scaling and nerfed to reduce botting. If you come up with decent proposals with good argument to back em up, then we can have that conversation. I’m not the one being called troll here. But if it’s just because, you want to hurt alphas cause you don’t like them or ganking cause you don’t like it, then you were never here for an grown up conversation were you? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/100 "2020-03-21T16:30:15Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What I have an issue with is you then making up claims with zero evidence and trying to use that to give your opinion weight, then shifting the subject when I ask for evidence. I admitted i didn’t have a link for alphas being meant for pvp. But the dev blog mentions alt scaling and several others have cited botting for the other restrictions on alphas. Where as, at best, you’re being petty about inconsistencies. More likely you just want to nerf playstyles you don’t like… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/102 "2020-03-21T16:51:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > a kneejerk emotional reaction > [@I WAS A CODE. SPACE BULLY](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2126): > > Delete Because you are on such solid ground there. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/103 "2020-03-21T16:56:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If botting is the reason to restrict alphas then they should not be able to rat as freely as they are. And i agreed ratting could be taxed for alphas. But if alphas can run level 4’s again, they will bot them just as they did before. And it’s obvious to everyone that mining in a barge will be botted. Industry and trade is because of ALT SCALING. and the extra tax isn’t as straightforward as just limiting alpha skills in that area. There’s enough evidence from faction warfare, vni ratting and missions to know what some players will do given half a chance. So it’s not happening. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not petty. These types of inconsistencies normally mean that the person I’m talking to hasn’t thought through their position, they’ve just had a kneejerk emotional reaction based on incorrect assumptions. One is not dependent to the other. Consistency is a small price to pay for restricting abuse. Like the example above, we aren’t going to shoe horn a ship together just to satisfy the amarr/gallente gap. Inconsistency in this case is another way to say freedom. We are free the restrict alphas in problem areas and give them more in non-problem areas. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There are no playstyles I don’t like. Well now i know you’re lying. You don’t get your reputation for nothing Lucas. You’ve recently come back to the game yeah? As an alpha per chance? Hmmm ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/105 "2020-03-21T17:46:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Only if they don’t also tax those more Is effectively what we have by restricting them to level 3’s. Same with ventures instead of barges. The only problem is botting in null. Which i agree a tax could help. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think the way they currently operate makes the game seem overly simplistic and lacking in depth. When it comes to industry and trading yeah they could be missing some depth. And maybe they are missing gas mining in low/null/wh, but they certainly aren’t missing any depth from level4’s. You could convince me to allow them a couple more industry slots…and I’d have no problem with alphas gas mining. So regarding depth; how does restricting safeties and t2 mods on alphas show them the depth of eve? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What reputation is that exactly? ![which_care_bear_are_you_featured_facebook](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/e/becb406b8fe41e6aa70e41470fde6950c6155531.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/107 "2020-03-21T18:58:33Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/skilling-spree-thank-you-ccp/226552/108 "2020-03-21T18:58:58Z")
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