# So, greif bumping is 100% allowed by gm's? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 5, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227 "2017-09-05T15:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/201 "2017-09-12T18:15:56Z")
> [@Muffinmixer](#): > > This sort of harassment could fall under rule 16 of the Terms of Service: [https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/) > > You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world. > > But it would have to be proven as pure harassment and nothing more conducive than that. Bumping has its PVP uses and is allowed for that. You have to prove the lack of PVP intent with this guy’s behavior, and then MAYBE a GM will agree with you that it’s harassment and deserves action. There’s already a very specific set of conditions when bumping is considered to be harassment, anything outside of those conditions isn’t. > [@](#): > > As per GM Karidor: > However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. > > While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents). ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/202 "2017-09-12T18:27:39Z")
@Jonah_Gravenstein and @Lady_Ayeipsia, Can you both please stop being rational and instead respond emotionally and in a manner that is thoroughly unhelpfu? ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/203 "2017-09-12T20:00:24Z")
War deccing all AFK cloakers will be the death of all bumpers until local is removed from all nul sec systems! Oh and CCP stealth nerfed invention chance with this patch because i tried 1 attempt and it failed! Is that better? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/204 "2017-09-12T20:27:50Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > Is that better? Much. I feel better now. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Khergit\_Deserters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khergit_deserters/32/319315_2.png) [@Khergit\_Deserters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khergit_Deserters)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/205 "2017-09-12T20:47:17Z")
You can also get into a fast ship and counter-bump the bumping ship. Bump him around, it makes it hard for his ship to get lined up for a bumping approach. People say it can’t be done, but I’ve done in a Slasher, vs. a bumping Machariel. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/206 "2017-09-12T22:30:29Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Personally 30 minutes is across the line which I would consider griefing. Because it’s only poor game mechanics that allow you to do that with no cost or significant risk to yourself. Honestly, I’d say it is a harsh game design once you’ve committed to either overloading your freighter or flying a freight alone during war. The only thing i struggle with here is why people don’t adapt and start using Red Frog for their haulage. Let the people who have no problem hauling large amounts do their job. You’ll get nowhere fast if your only focus is what you can’t do due to mechanics, trust me I’ve seen it many times. Focus on what you CAN do to get your haulage across the universe. Using Red frog will give you insurance, you will get paid if your courier contract with them fails. You will be getting the better deal here because your loss will be limited to the fee for haulage. Either that or keep your load value around 800m per trip. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/207 "2017-09-12T23:04:41Z")
Your posting is harassment. I’m not able to enjoy the game or website. Plz stop ---
**Author:** ![Galaxxis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxxis/32/21024_2.png) [@Galaxxis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxxis)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/208 "2017-09-13T00:35:03Z")
Make off-grid instant undocks. When you undock check your d-scan for combat probes before you warp to them. If it’s a kickout station (I can’t remember if Amarr is, I don’t go there very often), undock in another small ship to check what’s going on outside before undocking in anything larger. ---
**Author:** ![Kaeden\_3142](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaeden_3142/32/378138_2.png) [@Kaeden\_3142](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaeden_3142)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/209 "2017-09-13T01:06:11Z")
I was once bumped for a couple of hours in hi-sec. In that i got a ransom requests and third party web “help” with duel attempts . So continuing bumping is a flawed mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/210 "2017-09-13T01:15:36Z")
chatlogs or gtfo I really doubt this is anything but an attempt at attention grabbing ---
**Author:** ![ACESsiggy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/acessiggy/32/424308_2.png) [@ACESsiggy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ACESsiggy)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/211 "2017-09-13T02:01:21Z")
Bumping is beyond retarded! Don’t you love seeing a frigate bumping a larger ship lulz. It’s like a motorcycle bumping a freight train IRL… ./sigh ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/212 "2017-09-13T02:05:35Z")
Welcome to this thread. Here you’ll find all sorts or pubbie trash and their filth they enjoy wallowing in. I see it’s a familiar experience for you, so I’ll leave you to it. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/213 "2017-09-13T04:50:42Z")
> [@Kaeden\_3142](#): > > I was once bumped for a couple of hours in hi-sec. In that i got a ransom requests and third party web “help” with duel attempts . So continuing bumping is a flawed mechanic. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > chatlogs or gtfo > > I really doubt this is anything but an attempt at attention grabbing Even if it is true, BFD. It happens now an again. What I want to know is why not just logoff? Unless they are going to gank you to try and make an example of you and build up some sort of reputation, that is your smartest move (assuming you were not overloaded). Chances are he’ll move on once he see’s you have logged. I still don’t see how this is a major problem or even a problem. It is like worrying about rare events. Yes they happen, but usually we don’t waste our time worrying about them. Same thing here. ---
**Author:** ![Krima\_Sumyungi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krima_sumyungi/32/496692_2.png) [@Krima\_Sumyungi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krima_Sumyungi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/214 "2017-09-13T10:37:50Z")
First and second bump ( to account for accidental bumpings )within 5 minutes of each other, “bump timer”. Third bump to the same ship within the next 5 minutes, bumper becomes yellow. Fourth bump on same ship within next 5 minutes, bumper becomes red. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/215 "2017-09-13T10:46:27Z")
> [@Krima\_Sumyungi](#): > > First and second bump ( to account for accidental bumpings )within 5 minutes of each other, “bump timer”. Third bump to the same ship within the next 5 minutes, bumper becomes yellow. Fourth bump on same ship within next 5 minutes, bumper becomes red This would become the greatest way to gank autopiloting Freighters. Let CONCORD do it for you. Great solution. ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/216 "2017-09-13T10:52:03Z")
Do you complain or i got it wrong? Threat that as a docking scam so it won’t hurt your feelings much. ---
**Author:** ![Krima\_Sumyungi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krima_sumyungi/32/496692_2.png) [@Krima\_Sumyungi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krima_Sumyungi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/217 "2017-09-13T11:00:28Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Krima\_Sumyungi](#): > > > > First and second bump ( to account for accidental bumpings )within 5 minutes of each other, “bump timer”. Third bump to the same ship within the next 5 minutes, bumper becomes yellow. Fourth bump on same ship within next 5 minutes, bumper becomes red > > This would become the greatest way to gank autopiloting Freighters. Let CONCORD do it for you. > > Great solution. If you use autopilot, you deserve to be ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/218 "2017-09-13T12:15:27Z")
> [@Tiddle\_Jr](#): > > Do you complain or i got it wrong? Yeah, you got it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/219 "2017-09-13T13:05:49Z")
So I park dome bowhead right outside jita undock and watch people go suspect suspect constantly? Sorry but any system will be gamed, this is eve. Your suggestion would be extremely easy to game and cause people all sorts of problems. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227/220 "2017-09-13T13:32:00Z")
**Bumping is fine**. ISD should close this thread so someone else can make a new one. We’ve all been repeating the same thing for a while now and it’s tiring reading all of the posts made by mentally inferior people. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-greif-bumping-is-100-allowed-by-gms/22227.md?page=12)