# So how do we persuade new players that losing ships is ok? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741 "2020-04-18T13:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/63 "2020-04-19T16:52:25Z")
I didnt say isk. You said it was annoying and time consuming to replace those losses. There are plenty of ways to mitigate that, and ship choice is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/64 "2020-04-19T17:20:53Z")
Or pay in 10% to receive new ship with all modules? That way you can carry on where you left off? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/65 "2020-04-19T17:22:16Z")
> [@Kace\_Robins](#): > > Solution: fix insurance. People will still have to grind for their new ship & modules; however, when they lose it, they actually receive 90% MARKET value of the ship AND the modules installed. Now they only have to grind 10% their hardware’s value to get it all back. the insurance is working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/66 "2020-04-19T17:23:58Z")
How much is your frequent fly ship in isk? My Gila around 400 mil And now I fear it will not do lvl 4 security quests! ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/67 "2020-04-19T17:24:25Z")
Oh now I understand, you are suggesting to use rookie ship. That does indeed mitigate this issue completely. Never thought of that. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/68 "2020-04-19T17:42:26Z")
Cant see that insurance is working , just checked on a Venture on Platinum it is a payout of 277.286.00. Venture 300.00.00 Miner II 864.996.43 2 off No rigs yet, no shield or propulsion yet, no pwer diag or damage controll? So basically a payout of 1/10 th of the vallue of a ship with fitting? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/69 "2020-04-19T17:44:46Z")
That “value” is subjective. The goal of insurance is not to make you able to keep doing the same thing without a cost. It is, to be able to reduce the cost of losing your ship, at a cost in case you don’t lose your ship ; without being subject to abuses. You should NOT pay insurance unless you intend to lose your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/70 "2020-04-19T17:47:27Z")
I see the discussion has devolved into: “I’m afraid of loss.” “New players are probably afraid of loss too.” “Instead of making players less afraid of less, let’s reimburse them for each loss.” Garbage in, garbage out. The discussion should have stayed on **how to make players okay with losing ships**. Not “how should we pamper players each time they lose a ship.” ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/71 "2020-04-19T17:48:03Z")
And you pay 83.185.00 to get 277.286.00, which means you are paying a third of the tenth, not working ! ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/72 "2020-04-19T17:50:42Z")
It is not pampering, it is “I am afraid, can I pay to recover?” “I am not afraid I will be ok” or “No need I know how to play and win!” Insurance on your car is for what? Are you going to make an accident? ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/73 "2020-04-19T17:53:49Z")
> [@Jah\_Durah](#): > > And now I fear it will not do lvl 4 security quests! 1. They’re called missions. 2. Have you tried running a lvl4 yet? 3. You’re actually serious, right? ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/74 "2020-04-19T17:55:30Z")
I am just saying, shiploss is going to be greater than usual, Insurance is already in game, should it not be set so that that loss is recoverable? 33% of total ship cost as payment for a full replacement ? ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/75 "2020-04-19T17:56:14Z")
1. Dead serious, too afraid to go try after nerf, cant replace it no isk left ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/76 "2020-04-19T17:57:28Z")
> [@Jah\_Durah](#): > > It is not pampering, it is “I am afraid, can I pay to recover?” “I am not afraid I will be ok” or “No need I know how to play and win!” Yeah, see, this is the coward type of crap I was talking about. Player mindset should be more “I’m gonna fly spaceships and pew pew because it’s fun.” But right now it’s “I’m scared, give me things.” This is why I said earlier in the thread the following: > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > The garbage that cry about NPC losses today are lost causes. They’re beyond saving. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/77 "2020-04-19T17:58:21Z")
1. Yeah Yeah, At 51 Yrs of age some words just stick , am a old WOW player, lol ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/78 "2020-04-19T18:00:01Z")
Please advise, 59mil isk left, with what do I go pew pew and where? And THAT is a whole lot more than when you started up the game?! ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/79 "2020-04-19T18:01:31Z")
> [@Jah\_Durah](#): > > Dead serious, too afraid to go try after nerf, cant replace it no isk left How about using a different ship? How does it feel, knowing your balls never popped out? ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/80 "2020-04-19T18:05:01Z")
Well I remembered how it felt when all the training to fly the ship,and all the modules were not properly trained and then I lost the ship, Think I am om my 5th one already! Thought it was a great idea one day to run an emerging conduit with it, poof! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/81 "2020-04-19T18:05:10Z")
> [@Jah\_Durah](#): > > And you pay 83.185.00 to get 277.286.00, which means you are paying a third of the tenth, not working ! Unrelated. They are working as intended. > [@Jah\_Durah](#): > > Thought it was a great idea one day to run an emerging conduit with it, poof! emerging conduits are not something you can do with an half assed fit. The good thing though is that you can leave fast, by simply warping out. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Durah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_durah/32/388537_2.png) [@Jah\_Durah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Durah)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741/82 "2020-04-19T18:05:48Z")
Hope you get the same from your house insurance! LOL [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-how-do-we-persuade-new-players-that-losing-ships-is-ok/233741.md?page=5)