# So I made a new character. It was eye opening **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182 "2023-05-10T18:48:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/423 "2023-05-18T13:15:46Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > and it’s something that the majority of bittervets simply will not accept needs to change in order to help retention. What makes no sense is that the game had MORE players when we had harder and more confusing skill trains. When skill training skills existed, when pods needed insurance, when the loss of some ships cost you SP. If you care about retention, shouldn’t you and @Nienna_Nannie be arguing for a return to those times? When 60k were online? Your arguments are backwards sir. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/424 "2023-05-18T13:18:29Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > And the plan is that skill training over time is still here to stay. Just like Sarah said. CCP said they’re removing the skill training queue. That sounds to me like no more passive skill training while offline. Anyway, I don’t care what you or your alt has to say… ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/425 "2023-05-18T13:19:55Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > I hate to say it, but this is the trap that many new players get into, “I need X amount of skills to engage in PVP”, which is bunk It’s not a trap, it’s what I would rather have in a game given the choice. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > engage in PVP”, which is bunk. Any character can engage in PVP fresh out of the career schools I’m not talking about what you can do, talking about whst you can use. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > In general, if a player is going to want perfect skills to play the game, there IS an option for that - one I was and still am opposed to - but they can buy SP with cash Indeed. So what’s the point in making them wait for skills to complete when they can just buy it? I’ve been over that before and the same invalid arguments keep popping up from posters who can’t prove that the Skill Queue is necessary, primordial and paramount. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > It’s not a Gimmick. I’m sorry you don’t understand that, but it just isn’t. > As I explained before, it’s just one way of showing your character’s progression That’s one way of looking at it. To me it’s a gimmick and it shows when it can be sidestepped with cash. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > EvE’s SP system serves its purpose It clearly does, but not in the way you mean. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > If you care about retention, shouldn’t you and @Nienna_Nannie be arguing for a return to those times? Times have changed, so have the devs, so has the game and so have the players. It needs to move forward and I like most of what CCP has done so far, minus the technical difficulties. ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/426 "2023-05-18T13:23:10Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > And the plan is that skill training over time is still here to stay. Just like Sarah said Let’s see in what form though. I have a hunch that a lot of that wasted time will be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/427 "2023-05-18T13:27:59Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > It’s not a trap, it’s what I would rather have in a game given the choice. Again the discussion is about _new players_. Please stay on topic. > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > I’m not talking about what you can do, talking about whst you can use. Again, we are talking about new players and what they can do. And more importantly why they Don’t NEED the blingy stuff to do it. > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > So what’s the point in making them wait for skills to complete when they can just buy it? I agree. We need to get rid of the SP purchase mechanic. But it’s there, and while it does impact the SP system, it doesn’t negate it. > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > It clearly does, but not in the way you mean. Of course it does, and in the way I mean. You are the one that has already claimed that you don’t understand it: > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > EVEs progression doesn’t make sense… –Gadget needs to get back to actual work ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/428 "2023-05-18T13:33:06Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Again the discussion is about _new players_. Please stay on topic No it isn’t. This discussion we’re presently in is about the Skill Queue and the ridiculous wait to get to use the items in the game. I’m sorry if you were under the impression that New Players were the topic of my posts. They were mixed in by other posters who tried to make valid points but only fell on their nose trying to. And the Skill Queue affects newer players, which is in line with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/429 "2023-05-18T13:40:08Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > my posts We get it, you’re very egocentric and we should all know, in detail, about your perspective. But the topic of the THREAD is about newbies. ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/430 "2023-05-18T13:43:33Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > We get it, you’re very egocentric and we should all know, in detail, about your perspective And they call _me_ troll 😄 > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > ut the topic of the THREAD is about newbies > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > And the Skill Queue affects newer players, which is in line with this thread. 🫠 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/431 "2023-05-18T13:44:58Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > I’m sorry if you were under the impression that New Players were the topic of my posts. So you didn’t type this then. Stop sperging. ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/432 "2023-05-18T13:47:59Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > So you didn’t type this then. Stop sperging > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > And the Skill Queue affects newer players, which is in line with this thread. 😃 Tataaaa ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/433 "2023-05-18T13:53:45Z")
You’re just using it as a vehicle to get our own desires across, like pretty much all “do it for the newbies, honest” posters. It’s funny how alts (pretending to be new) all play this game (and I use that very loosely) but somehow disagree with the base premise of the game. EVE is a long term slow burning MMO where it’s about the journey, not the end game (because there IS no defined end game). If you don’t like that’s completely fine and understandable but then you’re playing the wrong game. Either adapt or go away because a core concept of a game isn’t going to change. It’s hilariously egocentric to demand otherwise. Now go burn out your new alt posting character and we’ll see you make a new one in a a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/434 "2023-05-18T14:00:10Z")
So you don’t want nor understand the SP system. Got it. You have evey right to your opinion. The SP system is staying, though it will slowy be tweaked over time as it has from day one. I’m going to continue to talk about how _new players_ interact with the sysem, as this _thread_ has been about all along. You have your opinion, and I disagree with it. Nothing more needs to be said. Ciao. –Gadget still thinks Purple is better than Green ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/435 "2023-05-18T14:01:09Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > CCP said they’re removing the skill training queue. They have elaborated that the idea is SP still accumulates over time, just in the „unspent pool“. So you can later decide to buy skills as needed. _After_ it accumulates in a pool. No queue, correct. So it is still fundamentally SP/skill levels over time. In this mode though, newbies do not need to panic ahead of time what needs to be in a queue and newbie Alphas don’t have to panic login in case their shortened queue is soon going to expire. Feel free to ask CCP devs to confirm the above, as this is what they did in various twitch streams and discords. That’s actually a good change IMO. I hate dark patterns to inflate login numbers. But doesn’t fundamentally change the „passive SP progress over time“ mechanic. Which was the point of you trying to bring this up in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/436 "2023-05-18T14:03:03Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > So it is still fundamentally SP/skill levels over time. In this mode though, newbies do not need to panic ahead of time what needs to be in a queue and newbie Alphas don’t have to panic login in case their shortened queue is soon going to expire. And that is a great move honestly, it’s just more newbie friendly. It also gels much better with the injectors concept (which I’m _sure_ wasn’t a consideration). ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/437 "2023-05-18T14:07:05Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > You have your opinion, and I disagree with it. Nice chatting with you. Thanks for helping me expound on my opinion via your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/438 "2023-05-18T15:11:38Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, I don’t care what you or your alt has to say… Bruh, I’m nobody’s alt, this is my main, the char I actually play with in game. ---
**Author:** ![Alfred\_Kring](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alfred_kring/32/409139_2.png) [@Alfred\_Kring](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alfred_Kring)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/439 "2023-05-18T15:13:52Z")
I’m writing this [guide to the AIR career program](https://docs.google.com/document/d/13niDVf6gKZi6uwdrCE6MAo7I6IAr9S22S8QDeVWj0wE/edit?usp=drivesdk), on how to get most of the skillpoints in that program on a new character. This character doesn’t have to train any skills. It is possible to do this using a new alt on the same account as the main haracter, and not even have to pause training on the main. The guide is yet to be finished, as the instructions to complete the exploration and soldier of fortune challenges are not yet there, but it demonstrates the range of activities that a new character has at his disposal. It is far from true that a new player cannot do anything. It’s just that the whole breadth and depth of the game unfolds slowly, but so does a new player’s understanding of the necessary mechanics. I don’t see much of a problem, although perhaps the rate of skill acquisition could be faster. ---
**Author:** ![Minin\_alnigh\_Lon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minin_alnigh_lon/32/373280_2.png) [@Minin\_alnigh\_Lon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minin_alnigh_Lon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/440 "2023-05-18T18:27:46Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > One would think, by now, that the retention rate would show some difference since the introduction of the NPE - if indeed the NPE made any difference. That is a question to put to CCP, and perhaps they will mention it during Fanfest. I, for one, don’t think that the NPE had more than a passing effect, if any I enjoyed it. It showed me quite a few things, ship damage, fleet navigation, fitting window, mining lazers, spies and politics and said I could serve a daction as a mercenary. I think it was a jice into to the career agents. Too bad that the intro story isn’t finished yet. I hope they continue it parallel to the career agents. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > getting dropped onto the middle of the learning curve only makes the frustration more intense and, if anything, will hasten departure from the game I agree. EVE is too complicated and vast to skip the basics. ( I wonder why there are different security status to the systems. I understand new player zones for career agent training but beyond that, I don’t know if it’s because there are different rules of engagement or another thing. ) > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you don’t agree, you are the other political party! Is it still true if I have never voted in my life? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Here one comes to one of the true ironies of Eve. Probably one of the biggest paradoxes in the game. People who want to be able to ‘mine in peace’, yet it never ever occurs to them that the very materials they are mining are the raw materials for combat and war. Indeed, the entire mining, hauling, and industry of Eve is a huge pyramid the _apex_ of which is ultimately pew pew of some sort. I was attracted by the idea to mine and build ships because it said everything is player made. Then I saw it was PvP so it’s clear that are risks involved to being a miner and builder of ships but that is the way the game was made. There is no question of fair or catching up, the game is great the way it is. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Thus miners are involved in PvP whether they like it or not, as they are the source of material for that PvP. I think that’s really good, that is why I wanted to play this game. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The Catalysts that gank them are made from the very ore they mined I already make Catalysts 😃 So far only for me but I should start selling. Just waiting for the Market skills to mature. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How can they dissociate themselves from this and pretend that PvP has nothing to do with them and can they just be left to ‘mine in peace’…lol The whole game is PvP. It says it right there on the box. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > when all they did was take the cable car to the top. Those things aren’t safe anyway. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > That’s why each new player will receive a free customizable corporate history dating back to 2002. They also get two Perimeter keepstars per account. Does the corporate history have pictures? And what can I do with a keepstar, does it mine faster? > [@Hollie\_Swoons](#): > > I would say they give too much to start! I have ships I haven’t yet to unpack and name, let alone fly. I have modules I don’t even know if I need or not, some I don’t don’t understand what they do. The career agents just throw them at me like hotcakes! I agree. My station container is starting to get cluttered with things I don’t understand. ECM, Planetary Scanner, Structural something… It’s too much. I want to reprocess some of them but I’m not sure if I should. > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > And I suspect that a new player would love to get into a navy destroyer with full-stat skills and modules using the upgraded ammo, upgraded cpu, tank, navigation rig, MWD-boosted engines and 0.0.9 align time I think not. That would damage my self-esteem to lose a well fit nice ship because I had no idea what was going on round me. I am already challenged as it is without adding more idiocies into my gaming. We can already buy all the skill point a fat wallet can buy so the skill system doesn’t need to be touched. Thanks for reading. Play on!! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/441 "2023-05-18T21:17:54Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > How would a newbie know about brisc? I thought that too 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/442 "2023-05-18T21:31:29Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Undocked for her 10th Annual Venture Hunt the other month but she never cared enough to come to catch me in Uedama Don’t take it personally, I’m sure it’s a _her_ problem. You seem like a totally gankable dude and you’re cute too. Maybe she’s been too busy 🤷‍♀️ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182.md?page=23)