# So I made a new character. It was eye opening **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 10, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182 "2023-05-10T18:48:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/141 "2023-05-12T11:45:30Z")
Why are you arguing with an obvious narcisist? There’s no point, you’re just feeding. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/142 "2023-05-12T11:49:44Z")
I enjoy it. He comes up with the weirdest arguments. I mean, the arguments _seem_ good, until you poke at it. ---
**Author:** ![Inaishite\_Teikei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inaishite_teikei/32/383275_2.png) [@Inaishite\_Teikei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaishite_Teikei)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/143 "2023-05-12T11:59:54Z")
Well, there _are_ newcomers who ask how to they “catch up to the vets” or complain about the game being so old they’ll never be able to compete, but in my view that just comes from a place of ignorance and not understanding the scope of EVE and how different it is from other MMOs, in which racing to the endgame ia king. Once they actually start playing, it’s mostly what you said. …Or they’re all actually old players who are pushing this view to get quickly skillable alts. /tinfoil ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/144 "2023-05-12T12:06:31Z")
I think Aiko is a narcisist and that is a attribute Frostpacker seeks in a leader. ---
**Author:** ![Minin\_alnigh\_Lon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minin_alnigh_lon/32/373280_2.png) [@Minin\_alnigh\_Lon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minin_alnigh_Lon)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/145 "2023-05-12T12:17:49Z")
> [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > My new character could do basically nothing But that isn’t true. If it were, how did you undock? > [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > Characters should start with the basics already complete But then how am I to learn? I need the basics 101 before I can grasp the topics in the advanced class. What am I going to do with a Cruiser when I don’t even know how to fit a Destroyer? > [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > We dont need a time sink to hold new players back. I’m only held back by my own IQ and time available. > [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > You could literally give them all of the “magic 14” at level 5, plus another twenty million sp on top, and it wouldn’t matter in a competitive sense in the slightest I disagree with you on everything in your OP. I don’t want to be given anything because it will not help at all! It would only spoil me to not learn anything and wait for more handouts instead of playing the game and learn and find my place. Also, posting as all new players isn’t cool. Speak for yourself. Play on!! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/146 "2023-05-12T13:37:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Straw man, And you do it so well.. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I said that only two of those 14 are fitting skills, the rest of them aren’t helping you fit your ships. Mechanics needs to be trained up to fit T2 Armor Repairers. Hull Upgrades needs to be trained up to fit T2 Armor Plates and T2 Damage Controls. Shield Operation needs to be trained up to fit T2 Shield Boosters. Shield Management needs to be trained up to fit T2 Shield Boost Amplifiers. Capacitor Management needs to be trained up to fit T2 Micro Auxiliary Power Cores. Capacitor Systems Operation needs to be trained up to fit T2 Cap Boosters or make a ship fit cap stable. Long Range Targeting needs to be trained up to fit T2 Sensor Boosters. Navigation needs to be trained up to fit T2 Heavy Warp Scramblers. Evasive Maneuvering needs to be trained up to fit T2 Heavy Stasis Grapplers. Warp Drive Operation needs to be trained up to fit T2 Warp Core Stabilizers. Along with Spaceship Command, a lot of those skills need to be trained up to pilot other ships. But yeah, those aren’t fitting skills at all… > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > CCP should let all new forum posters start with **Reading Comprehension level 5** , and retroactively apply it to some older posters as well. Heh, physician, heal thyself… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/147 "2023-05-12T13:39:37Z")
When people talk about **fitting skills** they generally talk about these: [Fitting skills - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Fitting_skills) The skills you mention are indeed _requirements_ for certain modules, but don’t help you fit your ship better, i.e. they do not make better use of the CPU or PG the ship has. Seems I misinterpreted what you wrote about fitting skills if you meant something else than ‘fitting skills’ every time you mentioned ‘fitting skills’. My bad, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Candi\_karp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/candi_karp/32/351560_2.png) [@Candi\_karp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Candi_karp)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/148 "2023-05-12T13:50:28Z")
and with that sh\*t range and meta-modules, he will become the hero tackle/mvp of the fleet by suicide-tackling things because he cant lock past scram range anyway \*its what you can do, not what you can’t ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/149 "2023-05-12T14:38:44Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Then hand them fifty million ISkies and ten million unallocated SP to get started Woah ! I’m fine with the 50m ISK, but why should brand new noobs suddenly get handed more SP than some of my Omega chars have accumulated in 18 months ? Even dividing out the SP evenly among 3 chars only gives about 12m SP per char over that time…so if a ‘main’ is getting most of the SP then the other two are likely to be well below 10m SP. Why should some noob suddenly come along and jump ahead of characters that have existed for a year and a half ? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/150 "2023-05-12T14:47:05Z")
Here’s an experiment for ccp to conduct: put a very new hire - without any experience of EvE - _into a ship of his/her choice, with all possible skills, mods, implants and boosters,_ and order your freshly minted, naieve and anonymous pilot to go out and survive. You know what’s going to happen, we all know it. ![grin](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/c/3/cc3f244f8600f80e79f2d6551b940fb6b8bc13a4.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/151 "2023-05-12T14:52:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Why should some noob suddenly come along and jump ahead of characters that have existed for a year and a half ? If you only have 10M SP after a year and a half, you are doing EVE wrong. That said, it’s a concept I came up with. If the broad strokes work, then you can focus on the details. But like that Amatin guy, you cherry pick a few words, take them out of context, and focus all your anger on them. So how about instead of manufactured rage, you make some positive suggestions? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/152 "2023-05-12T14:57:14Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > If you only have 10M SP after a year and a half, you are doing EVE wrong. No, you haven’t grasped the point. Altara has 25m SP. My other two Omega chars both have under 10m SP…precisely _because_ I devoted most of the SP to Altara. So _of course_ I’m not going to be happy if some noob comes along and all of a sudden has 10m SP that my other two chars have waited a year and a half to get their hands on. There’s nothing ‘manufactured’ about any rage. If there’s 10m SP to be handed out for free…my other chars should get that too. ---
**Author:** ![OT\_Smithers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ot_smithers/32/431246_2.png) [@OT\_Smithers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/OT_Smithers)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/153 "2023-05-12T16:35:45Z")
You say this, and yet i have personally known people who have quit over this exact reason. They weren’t willing to invest months or even years in order to have a fair shot in PvP. And explaining to them that it’s a group game and doesn’t matter didn’t work. They didn’t want to be in that position. And to be fair, they are somewhat correct. I see corporations all the time setting SP limits. 50mil, 100mil, 150mil and a Dread alt, they might make an exception but it is still out there. Cutting a few weeks off the bottom end of a new player’s multi year climb damn sure isnt gonna hurt any of us. But eliminating silly ■■■■ so he can get right into training exciting things like guns and ships might just keep him invested. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/154 "2023-05-12T16:56:47Z")
> [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > You say this, and yet i have personally known people who have quit over this exact reason. They weren’t willing to invest months or even years in order to have a fair shot in PvP. And explaining to them that it’s a group game and doesn’t matter didn’t work. They didn’t want to be in that position. There are also people who quit EVE because it has PvP. Or because it doesn’t offer us the chance to dogfight in space. Does that mean EVE should be changed to give those people what they want? Or should EVE stay true to it’s core gameplay and focus on what it does well? EVE is a game that rewards long term planning, and if a player isn’t interested in playing a game long-term but wants something else, like _instant. action. now._ … does CCP really need to fundamentally change EVE we all enjoy playing, just to cater to those people? Or should those players find another game that’s more up their alley? ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/155 "2023-05-12T17:06:05Z")
> [@OT\_Smithers](#): > > You say this, and yet i have personally known people who have quit over this exact reason. They weren’t willing to invest months or even years in order to have a fair shot in PvP. And explaining to them that it’s a group game and doesn’t matter didn’t work. They didn’t want to be in that position. Is the issue that these people who quit could not compete in any PvP or is it that they felt like they could not fly super carriers and titans in massive battles and bring down the power blocks that be? It is just not true that new bros can’t have fun in PvP off the bat. With a million skill points specialized in a particular frigate new players can have fun, and occasionally get kills. Yes, they are going to die more often than not, and they are going to have to run from match ups that they just can’t compete against, but that is the way it is in any MMO with open world PvP. The fact that you know people that did not want to put in the time and energy to learn how to win fights in EVE does not surprise me. I have friends that like the idea of EvE, but find it a lot more tedious than first person shooter style games and consider it too much like a job to play EvE. From my experience of trying to get friends like that to join me in EvE, they will always be unhappy with the way EvE plays and giving them twenty million free skill points and half a dozen battle ships will just raise the bar because there are people with a fifty million skill points and faction battle ships. Giving these friends sixty million skill points and faction battle ships will just raise the bar another level, and they will complain about not having a million skill points and dreadnoughts. This process will not end because at the heart of the matter, they don’t want to play EvE, they want to play a hybrid of World of Warships and World of Warcraft set in space. To make these people happy you are going to have to change EvE into something that is no longer EvE, and will drive away the majority of the people that love EvE right now. I am not saying that a game like this will be a bad game, or that it can’t succeed. I am just asking that you go try to make that game, and don’t change EvE into something that it is not, because I love EvE, and personally I don’t think I would like that game. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/156 "2023-05-12T17:10:11Z")
I am currently playing a new Gadget-clone through the tutorial, and I keep expecting Aura to tell me “This is the Way”. –Gadget needs a helmet ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/157 "2023-05-12T18:18:17Z")
New players deserve nothing. No help. No handouts. No freebies. No nothing. If you want to help them, you can do it your own expense. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/158 "2023-05-12T18:34:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you want to help them, you can do it your own expense. I do. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/159 "2023-05-12T20:36:58Z")
Ok then, no need for changes. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182/160 "2023-05-12T20:37:17Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > At the end of the month you wipe everything. They are left with the experience they got trying out different playstyles and nothing else. I quite like this idea , they could even sell race/ship and job orientated packs. Example : could be a caldari hauler you get a explanations for fittings for the ships and there use and maybe an explanation of what to do , where to find work etc. This could fit the need of some gamers who need instant action with the ability to just jump into a play style Maybe something in bio to say using the above example that this character is locked as a caldari hauler for a set time [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-i-made-a-new-character-it-was-eye-opening/405182.md?page=9)