# So long new eden **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [August 26, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804 "2017-08-26T05:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/166 "2017-08-27T23:56:20Z")
i don’t know. why? i believe they’re being reused, because it’s easier on the server. continuously spawning and garbage collecting objects takes its toll, in this case especially during Burn Jita. personally, i am done with band aids and simple changes to supercomplex systems and just want everyone to be able to put their money where their mouth is. ---
**Author:** ![Celise\_Katelo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celise_katelo/32/514797_2.png) [@Celise\_Katelo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celise_Katelo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/167 "2017-08-27T23:58:31Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/b/6bf030aa8c61a40ae9b40f7ee7d3469ec9a67cdf.gif) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/7/170c78ee43b7ff7a6d716e35837b7792ca91db41.gif) Interesting topic… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/f/6f051df61c1018ae45310c06f6f9e1381777052d.gif) Could someone pass me a Coffee & some, ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/7/370927d4c512335e5f58724acc636bd82b387c2e.gif) ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/168 "2017-08-27T23:59:57Z")
# before i leave… is that first cat Salem? ---
**Author:** ![Celise\_Katelo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celise_katelo/32/514797_2.png) [@Celise\_Katelo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celise_Katelo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/169 "2017-08-28T00:00:43Z")
I think so Its from [https://giphy.com/gifs/bored-unimpressed-cat-5gUnOrltPvZzW](https://giphy.com/gifs/bored-unimpressed-cat-5gUnOrltPvZzW) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/170 "2017-08-28T00:28:33Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > i believe they’re being reused, because it’s easier on the server Yeah I think that was definitely true with the old servers and before BIAB, which moved a lot of calculations off the server nodes to a separate server. With TQ T3 and BIAB it may not be the same situation technically anymore, but only CCP would know. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/171 "2017-08-28T00:29:28Z")
Legacy Code™ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/172 "2017-08-28T08:39:31Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Another point is that no one forces them to react that way. Allowable game play or not, **nobody forces them to act like a dick to prompt said reaction.** ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/173 "2017-08-28T08:41:40Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > But I will state that all gankers were out for tears. There has never been a single time where a ganker gank somebody, received tears, and was not at least a little bit pleased with it. You are correct, that some people getting for-profit, some people gank for other reasons, but 100% of the time tears are an okay reward for the actions. > > Try not to misrepresent what I’m saying here. I’m not saying ganking is evil or bad. I’m merely honestly describing it. You’re “honestly describing” the individual motivations of thousands of people without knowing them, and not only that you have cleverly deduced that by an incredible coincidence they all happen to think exactly the same. Bad people. Yes mate, that sounds well thought out and completely different from the other arguments i’ve heard… Where do i sign? :parrotbeer: ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/174 "2017-08-28T08:43:27Z")
I’ve been wondering when you’ll show up. > [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > Allowable game play or not, nobody forces them to act like a dick to prompt said reaction. Read the above posts. this has been covered already. no need to chew through it again. in the end, though, is self responsibility something that helps you learning that people who try to trigger you are people you should be ignoring, instead of letting your immature ego get the best of you. Stop victimizing everyone and please keep up with progress. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/175 "2017-08-28T08:56:03Z")
i don’t know. with the 64bit client coming and the game still being written in python, or in C(++? ugh) using the python API, i don’t see this working out well. i’ve seen lowseccers complaining about aggression mechanics impacting nodes, even without CONCORD showing up, so the whole code around CrimeWatch seems to be a rather problematic thing. And with the 64bit client foming, memory consumption will increase significantly, which means that de-/allocating objects will get even more expensive in terms of performance. personally, i’ve learned to turn garbage collection OFF in python and deal wih memory management myself. removal of reference counting (it’s a giant PITA for shared memory and forks) from the python source is still somewhere on my backlist… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/176 "2017-08-28T10:20:21Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > I’ve been wondering when you’ll show up. > > Drago\_Shouna: > > Allowable game play or not, nobody forces them to act like a dick to prompt said reaction. > > Read the above posts. this has been covered already. no need to chew through it again. in the end, though, is self responsibility something that helps you learning that people who try to trigger you are people you should be ignoring, instead of letting your immature ego get the best of you. > > Stop victimizing everyone and please keep up with progres Oh you mean you posted about how it is or should be so it’s finished? I was replying to your post from yesterday and I see nothing to indicate that your comment had been covered already. As for immaturity, look in a mirror, i’m not the one constantly turning these posts personal and responding with insults. If you don’t want players responding to you, feel free to follow the op. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/177 "2017-08-28T10:23:03Z")
Uhm… yeah, sure, whatever you say. You’re a totally reasonable person to talk to, unlike me who can’t form a single, well thought out post, lacks any and all knowledge about the game and constantly lives in a delusional state of evil people being around. Sure. If you feel better that way, then go for it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/178 "2017-08-28T10:42:04Z")
Yep. That is correct, Keno. I’m saying point blank that there has never once been a ganker who ganked, received rage, and felt bad for having done the gank, based off of the frothy spittle flung their way. You are more than welcome to hamster-wheel this, and to clutch those #notallgankers pearls if it suits you. But that “bad people” thing. I feel as though we are missing some reading comprehension. Nowhere in anything that I’ve ever stated, did I say that it was wrong to gank. No where did I say the people who gank are bad people. Gankers do not log into the game, alpha someone’s mining ship, and complain about it like it’s a thankless task at work. This isn’t punching a clock. It’s entertainment. So please spare me the disingenuous interpretations of what I said. Ganking isn’t any better or worse than anything else you can choose to do for fun in this game. But you are _choosing_ to do _whatever_ you do, _for fun_. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/179 "2017-08-28T11:55:21Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > there has never once been a ganker who ganked, received rage, and felt bad for having done the gank As if you’d know lol I know plenty who didn’t have a long career because of that. Most who gank do it for profit, and for all of us, tears are a bonus on that paycheck of phat loot. I remember all of the times I poster about the Code on Facebook, the tears were plentiful, but it brought us some prime gankers and a lot of supporters because those people realized all the haters were victimizing themselves and making up excuses for easily avoidable deaths. Funny, because I got more death threats on Facebook than ingame (because I played a baddie in a video game about spaceship pvp) ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/180 "2017-08-28T12:59:50Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > I’m saying point blank that there has never once been a ganker who ganked, received rage, and felt bad for having done the gank, based off of the frothy spittle flung their way. There are loads, stop talking such rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/181 "2017-08-28T13:37:54Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > There are loads, stop talking such rubbish. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > As if you’d know lol > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Most who gank do it for profit, and for all of us, tears are a bonus on that paycheck of phat loot. With that settled, I do agree that people refuse to take responsibility for their poor choices an alarming degree. Tank your frickin ships, people. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/182 "2017-08-28T13:44:06Z")
This thread has everything. The New Order getting rich, AND the delicious salty tears of the butthurt! We got folks like Salvos asserting over and over again that they know better than CCP (again) while refusing to just file a petition and find out. Good times! WE’RE RICH BEEEEEEE-OTCH! _HONK HONNNNNNK_ I’m gonna go drop a talos on an untanked retriever in Arnon, 'cause why not, amiright??? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/183 "2017-08-28T14:50:21Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > With that settled, I do agree that people refuse to take responsibility for their poor choices an alarming degree. Tank your frickin ships, people. The only thing that’s settled is that you have no clue what you’re chatting about. And that yes people should tank their ships and quit complaining. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/184 "2017-08-28T14:59:44Z")
Thread moved to OOPE. ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-new-eden/19804/185 "2017-08-28T20:16:49Z")
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