# So, this is where our extra money goes... CCP's failed attempt to hire influencers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 20, 2022, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371 "2022-05-20T06:23:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/62 "2022-05-20T16:40:18Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP is out of touch Not any more, Eve is now playable on touch tablets with Eve Anywhere. Now you can dominate the universe with pinch and zoom and swipe your enemies off the grid. Multi-touch beats multi-box. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/63 "2022-05-20T17:07:55Z")
No good deed goes unpunished… ---
**Author:** ![Bonnie\_Peebles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonnie_peebles/32/407537_2.png) [@Bonnie\_Peebles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonnie_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/64 "2022-05-20T17:17:02Z")
tl;dr But what I have to say is, f koreans, f Pearl Abyss, f Black Desert Online, f influencers (who are those anyway); I do know what this game is all about, I was warned beforehand and I agree of the terms every time I log in and undock. If any of those mfrs out there want a piece of me, they most definitely are welcome to try, I got 150000 m3 of veldspar right here and not one or two, but FIVE T2 mining drones and I’m not afraid to use them! PS\> Please dont ban me, Sir or Madam! Hail Ceasar and everything, Sir! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/65 "2022-05-20T17:42:38Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > A corporation is just a collection of bullies really with a treehouse in space. I mean, hyperbole much? So everyone who plays EVE, including you, is also a bully? LOL. > [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > CSM puts that relationship into the hands of a select few customers thus isolates the customers more further away from the company in that company customer relationship. Also, it’s toxic, biased and partisan. LOL of course you had to throw that in there. Are you aware CCP owns your soul 😃 > [@Nico\_Christened](#): > > Once that money they didn’t earn is gone they’ll be thirsty for more…giving money to noobs is a terrible idea. Especially sums that large. Economic incentives are one of the biggest carrots and you just took that away. So we shouldn’t help noobs by giving them money, but instead killing them? Got it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/66 "2022-05-20T18:42:33Z")
The advice to not give new players money because they have to learn how to “work for it” was good advice back in 2005 when selling a 30-day GTC barely covered the cost of a single T1 battleship, but in an era where selling 500 PLEX can get a player an _entire hangar’s worth of ships,_ and the assholes giving this “advice” are using supercaps to farm 800 million ISK per hour, such advice is overly trite and pedantic. There’s no reason to withhold money from new players, because this isn’t your grandfather’s economy anymore. I think the only real reason why this advice is given is because the people giving it have a vested interest in maintaining their _massive_ wealth gap. If they actually cared about new players’ economic independence, they would be advocating for CCP to narrow the incomprehensibly-massive delta in income potential between new players and the average chain-farming carebear dirtbag. If you need _proof_ of this, look up my “universal income” thread, and note how those people reacted to the prospect of giving players free money that would at least _somewhat_ bridge the wealth gap. Maybe then new players wouldn’t feel so much pressure to EARN EARN EARN just to feel like they can compete anymore (even when they don’t _need_ to), and would actually feel like they can take some risks with their assets. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/67 "2022-05-20T18:44:19Z")
ISK is like ~~lube~~ oil/grease on the gears of your game. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/68 "2022-05-21T03:10:42Z")
> [@Lady\_Inaria](#): > > The biggest issue with the NPE is that it ends by dumping you into EVE. This is brilliant. My gowd. I’m not even gonna start, my hopes are so low each day the server is online is a win. It’s CCP money, they do as they please, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/69 "2022-05-21T03:58:40Z")
Well, CCP did make the Dr Who cross over a few months ago probably to try to boost playership. Who knows what that cost. And didn’t seem to work so great did it? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/70 "2022-05-21T04:24:16Z")
EVE is not a game for streaming. Most of the time you either have to put it on second screen because you travel or sit in station or just fly in space doing nothing. Proportion of action to everything else is probably one of the lowest in games. Because its based on reality, and in reality how often you shoot other people to kill them, even when in a war? Mosty you walk, sit in a transporter or just observe whats going on, without any influence, because you dont have the proper weapon to respond, as there are different units that do respond on different threats. In EVE when you go to big fleet battles it often means things slow down with TiDi, so if you even shoot and there is some action, you cant show dynamic of it, when you go small party, you risk just streaming how you search proper targets, without action, ends in disappointment. If you stream missioning PvE or mining, you stream stuff that is as grindy as it gets. You can end up ganked also, but that is something actually watchable, but there will not be much people who will see that o0n your stream, mostly its just gankers searching for targets for their own streams… Abyss or the fights in the arena are probably the most of action filled activities you can stream, with the close saves, wins and losses. Because they can have potential to be the most dangerous, where the emotions can really be felt by a watcher of stream, but under one condition, that the watcher realizes how much is the fitting worth and that its expensive. Risks and stakes! BUT, those activities need preparation and lots of knowledge, else you are only feeding, I would say you have potential to be the most watchable, the most ignorant eve player, but you will be only watched for comedic purposes, that may be the thing tho “the most incompetent eve player streams now!” “Watch how I fail in EVE!”. But then its not about the game, its about you as strreaming personality, how will you react to it. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/71 "2022-05-21T06:24:57Z")
> [@Lady\_Inaria](#): > > The biggest issue with the NPE is that it ends by dumping you into EVE. The biggest issue is they give me a nice Astero then blew it up and I left with nothing. I had the feeling I was keeping the Astero. Got dumped into career agents for combat rather than exploration that I picked. It just made no sense, NPE seemed to be just there for the sake of it. To tick off a corporate “I did this task” checkbox. And that Aura is annoying, even couldn’t get rid of the Aura box. Was as bad as Clippy. It’s like a UI guide from the 90’s. The problem I see is CCP is in their own bubble and feel they’re “innovating” and delivering on that, but that’s not what others see outside that bubble. It’s similar to the effect of a political institution’s bubble. Lack of internal criticism and objectivity perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/72 "2022-05-21T06:44:00Z")
This thread made me think about mythic quest ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/73 "2022-05-21T09:07:09Z")
If a newbie gets a massive isk injection he instantly loses reasons to do things, short term goals and victories. Short term victories is what keeps people playing. Most of those end up playing EVE-offline where they’re “waiting for skills” to fly the stuff they bought with the money they didn’t earn. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/74 "2022-05-21T09:51:14Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > If a newbie gets a massive isk injection he instantly loses reasons to do things, short term goals and victories I don’t know about that. I got near a billion isk and the equivalent of 2b in assets from a player who quit when I started. I still had lots of reasons to do things. All those modules spurred me to train into them, buy ships for them and start doing missions, ratting and exploration. Because I like playing EVE. But that’s just me. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Most of those end up playing EVE-offline where they’re “waiting for skills” to fly the stuff they bought with the money they didn’t earn Not sure about that. What I ended up doing was using the Skill Gift from daily logins and trained into a Catalyst to start off with missions while training was active on tech2 weapons and ammo, rigging, innertials and velocity were in my queue. It’s slow going but CCP provides for things right from the go. May not be favorite thing but it allows to learn and train. Again that’s just me, not everyone plays EVE the same. ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/75 "2022-05-21T15:11:44Z")
Yeah. When I was with a little merc/griefer corps way back when hi sec wars were great, I sort of didn’t want to pod folks. That is, until I learned about all those expensive pay-to-win implants many of them had. Those [beeeep] gotta die. ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/76 "2022-05-21T15:16:36Z")
I think you nailed that. If they want to showcase it they need to get reviewers in on some actual corps/team ops, with comms. Sort of a police ride along, or serial killer ride along. That would be the best of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/77 "2022-05-21T15:21:06Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Most of those end up playing EVE-offline where they’re “waiting for skills” to fly the stuff… {{Looking in mirror}} HEY! I represent that! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/78 "2022-05-21T15:43:35Z")
The new NPE is way too much ‘on a rail’. You get a pointer telling you what to click on. You don’t actually get the full functionality of something like the Overview, for example…just a limited functionality that allows you to select _only_ the ‘correct’ option. The trouble is that as the NPE progresses, this prevents you from trying things you have learned already within it. It’s like ’ no…you must press _this_ button’. So it all becomes like those RPG game missions where you must collect a tea cup for someone via very specific moves. And we all know those are boring. I’m a firm believer that ‘what happens if I press this button ?’ is a better learning method than a rigid tutorial. The intro to Skyrim, for example, guides you through the game basics but allows you a considerable degree of freedom in the process. You can wander off, get lost, try various things not part of the intro…and as long as you return and slay the first dragon you are through with the intro. That is a far better way of learning. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/79 "2022-05-21T15:50:40Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > If a newbie gets a massive isk injection he instantly loses reasons to do things, short term goals and victories. Short term victories is what keeps people playing. > > Most of those end up playing EVE-offline where they’re “waiting for skills” to fly the stuff they bought with the money they didn’t earn. This is precisely what happened to a new Alpha account I created recently, which I intended to make Omega. I did the ( somewhat boring and ‘on a rail’ ) NPE…set off to do SOE arc…and transferred a few million ISK from my Omega account. Then I thought ‘lets wait a few days for better skills’. That was a month ago and I have not returned to the account since. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/80 "2022-05-21T16:41:52Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > Eve is heavily **anti** -social. It is a game where one being a complete and utter {beeeeeep} to win. The game encourages **anti** -social behaviour, and this is something that I have heard players that quit Eve say, basicallly it was such a negative experience on them after a while. They got tired of having to be a complete {beeeeeep} to play and wanted to have _positive_ fun… It is a simulation of MadMax style SciFi universe. People have the right to be {beeeeeep} in it if that is how they percieve their own character ingame. If you brand a piece of of acting or theatre as anti-social, ie: bringing RL metrics into it, then it usually means you, as a player, have some serious RL internal nazi problems of your own to deal with, first. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371/82 "2022-05-21T18:03:24Z")
I have to object, there are girls playing this game, and some of them have important CORP roles. We still got some toxicity around, but I doubt it happens in any serious corp. Don’t spill ■■■■ around about what you don’t know, lots of pvpers are chilled. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-this-is-where-our-extra-money-goes-ccps-failed-attempt-to-hire-influencers/363371.md?page=5)