# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/219 "2022-11-23T19:57:53Z")
> [@Jaina\_Bustmoore](#): > > be honest with everyone here at least… you don’t want to lose your ship ever also unless it’s a planned suicide gank…you just want targets that can’t win and flee the moment someone comes that is bigger then you with your EPEEN tucked up. As someone who goes for fair fights in Faction Warfare (even when I was a pirate) and says GG, loses ships to players better than I or in gate camps or other advantageous positions, and often takes fights where I know I am the underdog, which should put me in a position of authority in your eyes, let me take a stab: Imagine being so afraid of dying in a vidya game you stop playing ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/221 "2022-11-23T20:18:32Z")
Why do players who’ve never fought anyone talk so much about fighting? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/222 "2022-11-23T20:20:43Z")
I think he has fought someone - and lost. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/223 "2022-11-23T20:34:39Z")
Doesn’t matter as in any fight someone will lose and someone will win. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/224 "2022-11-23T20:37:10Z")
No man, fights are fun. There don’t have to be winners and losers. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/225 "2022-11-23T20:39:11Z")
Never had I won a fight that was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/226 "2022-11-23T20:46:26Z")
> [@Jaina\_Bustmoore](#): > > I find this FUNNY coming from the same people SO AFRIAD OF LOSING THIER SHIPS TO A TARGET THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL THEM. > > be honest with everyone here at least… you don’t want to lose your ship ever also unless it’s a planned suicide gank…you just want targets that can’t win and flee the moment someone comes that is bigger then you with your EPEEN tucked up. Someone seems a little emotional over a vidya game 😃 I mean you aren’t even brave enough to post on your main 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/227 "2022-11-23T20:52:12Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I mean you aren’t even brave enough to post on your main What do you mean? I thought Lucas was her main. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/228 "2022-11-23T20:52:28Z")
The first thing I had done this morning after logging on was boarding into a t1 cat and setting my waypoint to the system on the UM-Q7F though I did jump out of a implant clone as I knew I was that clone was not coming back. Yet another frozen corpse littering New Eden. At least they despawn. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/229 "2022-11-23T21:25:01Z")
Only an idiot looks for a fight they have a high chance of losing. Do you take your goods to market if theres a 51% chance of a loss when you sell? I assume you dont play many tactical or strategic games much. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/230 "2022-11-23T21:33:42Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Imagine being so afraid of dying That you become a ganker. ROFL > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Only an idiot looks for a fight they have a high chance of losing. Then what about the guy in a Venture, just mining his own business? * * * (That was meant to be a pun.) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/231 "2022-11-23T21:43:33Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Then what about the guy in a Venture, just mining his own business? The Venture isn’t looking for a fight (unless I’m flying it). The gap in this debate is that PvPers can also be forced into fights they don’t want and aren’t looking for. The whole “the industrial player isn’t looking for a fight so why should it be forced on them?” argument hinges on the assumption that PvPers are always looking for fights so it’s “different” for them somehow, but it isn’t. It’s entirely possible and viable to force PvPers in PvP ships into non-consensual engagements that they don’t want. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/232 "2022-11-23T21:47:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > that’s very much different from picking bottom of the barrel fights with unarmed ships with the intention of winding up the player. You mean totally unfair fights like the mining Procurer that took out a Daredevil today ? The Daredevil pilot, armed with Void, spent half an hour ranting and swearing about how appallingly _unfair_ it was being taken out by a bunch of miner drones. _That_ is the ridiculous, entitled, attitude that Lucas supports. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/233 "2022-11-23T21:51:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The gap in this debate is that PvPers can also be forced into fights they don’t want and aren’t looking for. The whole “the industrial player isn’t looking for a fight so why should it be forced on them?” argument hinges on the assumption that PvPers are always looking for fights so it’s “different” for them somehow, but it isn’t. It’s entirely possible and viable to force PvPers in PvP ships into non-consensual engagements that they don’t want. " You can’t shoot me ! I’m flying my ganker Catalyst back to staging station. I haven’t _consented_ to be shot by anyone ! " ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/234 "2022-11-23T21:53:46Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Only an idiot looks for a fight they have a high chance of losing. I’m sorry. /Also I had read that, _Leeroy Jenkins plays EVE Online and he is prepared!_ // > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Do you take your goods to market if theres a 51% chance of a loss when you sell? Strange debate this can turn into as there can be a high chance that the project that was once thought of and started didn’t go to plan so the best option sometimes is to just dump the goods onto the market at the highest buy order demand. Some goods can sell for 95% of it’s current value. Clearing out makes things feel fresh and it doesn’t have to be about market profit. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/235 "2022-11-23T22:07:09Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s why people like Altara suck up to gankers then spend most of their time bashing inactive structures with a group. What a load of utter rubbish. Typical of Lucas lying about absolutely everything. People can, _and do_, choose to defend their structures. Not only with weapons in the station itself but also with opposing fleets. I got attacked by the station as recently as today…and was saved only by prompt action from logi. I’ve been in other station bashes where my ships have been lost. Your myth about inactive structures is just that…a myth. And, if people cannot muster enough forces to properly defend a structure…why are they even putting one up in the first place ? ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/237 "2022-11-23T22:29:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > PvPers are always looking for fights The argument doesn’t hinge on this. It hinges on HS space versus LS/Null. Try to follow. I’ll never care about a Venture being shot in LS/Null. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/238 "2022-11-23T22:35:31Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > I’ll never care about a Venture being shot in LS/Null. That sounds like a pretty big double standard to me. A new player in a Venture going out to low-sec or null-sec and getting shot isn’t necessarily looking forward to getting shot any more than a new player getting shot in a Venture in high-sec. The forums, and places like Reddit and Steam routinely have people talking about how they went out to peacefully run some PvE outside of high-sec and were destroyed, which made them decide to quit the game and/or review it negatively, yet you aren’t interested in doing anything for _those_ players, and don’t seem to care about the impact on the game’s health and sustainability that their departure will have. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/239 "2022-11-23T22:38:05Z")
They were warned of the risk and had no expectations of “safety” or “security”. Unlike **HIGH-SECURITY SPACE**. See the difference? * * * ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/240 "2022-11-23T22:47:36Z")
Just because they were warned doesn’t mean that they consented. Using **your** logic, all we have to do to settle the problem of Ventures getting ganked in high-sec is to add a warning that undocking from the station can result in the player getting shot by other players. Sounds like a very simple solution, and I hope that CCP implements it ASAP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=11)