# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/284 "2022-11-24T09:12:38Z")
[quote="Ramona McCandless, post:283, topic:385377, username:Ramona\_McCandless”] You just know when the odds are in your favour whether you think you do or not. [/quote] just look at my killboard i have 60% a bit more or less you will find impossible fights all the time last i can remember was auguror vs pimped talos … but there is LOTS abaddon vs vargur aufguror vs hurricane fleet , augurorr vs Drekavac i killed a lot of hecates in a coercer … you have to bait and execute perfectly changing ammo and don’t overheating to much , its hard i killed kiki in coercer , i killed garmur in punisher I’m not bragging im just saying because you say I’m lying and I’m not my only quality is being the crazy guy on the jail yard ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/285 "2022-11-24T09:22:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But you still lost > Thats the point. This to me is ganker talk. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Theres no point if you dont win. Someone will lose but sometimes losing is actually winning. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/286 "2022-11-24T09:32:27Z")
Ok I guess. But as losing is my default position, I guess I dont like attempting anything unless I have a high chance of success and I hold that follows for most people, esp. in business, warfare and all those other things EvE attempts to simulate. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/287 "2022-11-24T09:33:40Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > This to me is ganker talk. I dont know what that means. Im a pro-ganker hauler, as you know, but I dont think Ive won a PvP encounter in my life. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > sometimes losing is actually winning Like winning EvE? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/289 "2022-11-24T09:35:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Like winning EvE? Accepting loss before undocking is how to win. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont know what that means. Im a pro-ganker hauler, as you know, but I dont think Ive won a PvP encounter in my life. I am not too far off that.. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/290 "2022-11-24T10:25:53Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Accepting loss before undocking is how to win. Well I accepted loss before installing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/291 "2022-11-24T10:50:23Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Well I accepted loss before installing 😉 I actually didn’t at first though shortly after on my maiden voyage through lowsec I had learnt that rule after loosing my haul of tobacco. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/292 "2022-11-24T13:16:58Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > but im sure i play EVE unlike any risk averse carebear > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The house always wins Nope! They win overall and in the long run, but sometimes a player wins. I have. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i have a gambling problem ☹ Call [1-800-522-4700](https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/national-helpline-1-800-522-4700/). > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I hold that follows for most people Even gankers? They EXPECT to win? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It was also a repost And a VERY limited opinion at CCP. You see where Falcon is now… * * * ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/293 "2022-11-24T13:19:07Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Call [1-800-522-4700](https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/national-helpline-1-800-522-4700/). He is in Brazil. He would need to call collect. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/294 "2022-11-24T13:37:02Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > He is in Brazil. > **[Brazil - Gamblers anonymous - Gambling Therapy](https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/blog/resource/brazil-gamblers-anonymous/)** > > Brazil – Gamblers anonymous ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/295 "2022-11-24T14:38:05Z")
“Only when everything is on the line, and the threat of loosing it all looms over you can I truly enjoy the game get my gambling freak on. I can’t stand one sided gambles where one side is guaranteed to win or loose. And I despise those that move the goal posts to soften the blow.” ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/0/f/70fc7ec40dadceb6250aef5ec46e716059f51b88.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/296 "2022-11-24T15:31:32Z")
There you have it. Bashing defenseless citadels in highsec in wardec is not real PvP either. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/297 "2022-11-24T15:38:17Z")
Whatever it is, it needs banned too ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/298 "2022-11-24T15:47:25Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Bashing defenseless citadels in highsec in wardec is not real PvP either. Some are defended, some are not. It is far more fun, and more of a challenge, when it is defended and the station owner at least makes _some_ attempt to save their structure. The problem is you get a lot of 1 or 2 man corps that set up structures with no hope of ever being able to defend them. And really, that is on par with leaving some 3bn ship sitting there with no weapons. What right minded person would _not_ attack such a thing ? If people don’t want to lose their 2 man corp structures…they have the option of becoming a 100 man corp and flying in Tornados or whatever to defend, which is precisely what we encountered a week or two back. The ‘defenceless’ structures are such because the owner _chooses_ not to defend them…either by not turning up or by just being too weak. This is very much on par with gankees who _choose_ not to apply self-defence and ganker avoidance rules. But as for structures, I have zero sympathy for people who put up an expensive structure they cannot or will not defend. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/299 "2022-11-24T16:06:50Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > People can and do but you’re literally in an alliance that deliberately targets abandoned structures for profit. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with doing that but it hardly takes any actual skill. _Some_ are abandoned, with even the core taken. _Some_ have 100 man defending fleets that show up in Tornados. It’s quite a mix…and nonsense to suggest that _all_ that’s targeted is abandoned stations. It ranges from long abandoned 1 man corp stations, all the way up to well defended targets where Blackflag or other corps from Absolute Order join in. As it happens…my other alt ( Cilla Cybin ) is looking to join the lowsec bashing corp within AO, and I already have an alt exploring and engaging in nullsec from Solitude, and a separate ganking alt. I have an extremely diverse Eve…mining, hauling, ganking, station bashing, PvE, PvP, and other activities I can’t mention. By contrast with which _you_ are the one with the boring Eve. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/b/c/0bce0bf306d61ab4c7385cdd1a8116c2cf5c4e29.jpeg "Bring on the Wrecking Machine") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4jMyIPEq4) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/301 "2022-11-24T16:34:50Z")
[Altara Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara) Miner… aha I knew it. Welcome home friend o/ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/302 "2022-11-24T16:42:12Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > [Altara Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara) Miner… aha I knew it. Lol…no, I don’t do _any_ mining as Altara and don’t even have mining ships. Cilla Cybin does a little bit of mining, but mainly I mine as ( redacted ). And Lucas is wrong to think Aiko would not gank my miner, or that I am in league, as she does not know who my miner is. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/304 "2022-11-24T16:54:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Get out of my region! Haven’t even see you there yet. The lowsec systems on the way there are practically empty. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You know very little about what I do Likewise. The most exciting careers in Eve have the least fanfare 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/306 "2022-11-24T16:58:40Z")
Your secret is safe with me, no need to explain. /edit; My alts had ganked me, give it time they too will all gang up on you. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/307 "2022-11-24T17:57:39Z")
Well that is very nice and you are very skilled, but we both know that you are suspect baiting within station dock range for a reason. And we both know how this works - not attacking back if you still have suspect flag on and instead docking continuosly until the suspect flag is gone and you know exactly who can and who cannot fight you. I know that you are sometimes taking the fight when you still have suspect and anyone can shoot you, but most of the time you know your tank will hold so if it goes wrong you stop fighting and dock. Or you run speed tank and burn away. I am not saying that what you are doing is riskless or that you don’t sometimes fight someone who looks stronger, but you too, just like the rest of us, are attacking weaker (by any means - pvp experice, fit, ship class) that you know you will beat and using game mechanics to avoid dying uselessly. I see you daily and I didn’t see you taking a fight against other baiters using battleships. Of course I might just missed it - I don’t always look and I am not 24/7, but please don’t pose as “I fight other players with disadvantage” as that is not true. There is a reason why you are 90%+ efficient at Jita, but about 50% in lowsec. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=14)