# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/352 "2022-11-26T12:23:49Z")
People who want to fight are sociopaths who shouldnt be allowed in games with normal people. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/353 "2022-11-26T12:36:58Z")
Yes, but right now it’s not illegal for sociopaths to play video games. That’s an issue that has to be solved at the legislative level, by administering tests and granting people video game-playing licenses according to their state-determined needs. After this is accomplished, we would be able to bar sociopaths (and people of other undesirable psychological characteristics) from MMOs like EVE. But that might take a decade or longer, and in the meantime, we need EVE to have some kind of stopgap measure to address the issue, which a null-sec PvP flag would accomplish perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Firnikkar\_Firn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/firnikkar_firn/32/344253_2.png) [@Firnikkar\_Firn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Firnikkar_Firn)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/354 "2022-11-26T13:05:09Z")
you won’t be able to program a chain of love anyway, not with the methods you’ve been doing since 1990… ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/356 "2022-11-26T14:14:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The end result is that in the past they’ve managed to drive some people off of the forum. 💯% They bully in-game and in the forums and wonder why there’s anyone to oppose them. They will lose in the long run, as evidenced by this expansion. No one likes a bully. Eve Dev’s understand that most people play the game so they can **build something** , not tear it down. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/f/74f881738dfcb86cfbda582b236b6c3352da3504.png) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/357 "2022-11-26T14:18:28Z")
> [@Buggs\_LeRoach](#): > > except you’re now paying a sub for that ganker . I was paying a sub anyway…my new ganker is simply my former scout alt. In fact if anything I’m no longer wasting 1/3 of the sub on a character who merely flies about in a shuttle. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/358 "2022-11-26T14:25:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I love how you keep going on about that one. And rightly so. You claim to be posting on your ‘main’, yet your alleged ‘main’ hasn’t done any combat activity for almost 3 years…and we see zero indication of any alt that has. You wouldn’t waste a second posting even an average killboard if any of your alts actually had one ! So I repeat. You don’t like PvP because you never do any. That makes you a dog in a manger. You don’t enjoy PvP…and you are determined that nobody else will. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/359 "2022-11-26T15:08:30Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > flies about in a shuttle You can’t afford a cloaky Astero? Tis, tis… You must be poor. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/0/f/20fd67f58ce0274ecbc9d1a5a7ac00cc8f1d6f55.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/360 "2022-11-26T15:13:16Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > That makes you a dog in a manger. You keep moving the goalposts for your losing argument. He isn’t trying to curtail PvP, just what you’re calling PvP. Ganking a Venture in HS is NOT actual PvP. Some people think it is, but the majority of PAYING SUBSCRIBERS do not. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Jackweed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnny_jackweed/32/332757_2.png) [@Johnny\_Jackweed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnny_Jackweed)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/361 "2022-11-26T15:15:01Z")
Hi-sec Ganking is Great for Eve. Also, 0.5 space isn’t 1.0 space for a reason. Anyone who gets ganked either learns how foolish they have been and improves, or they quit, in which case they are probably better suited to WOW than eve. Everyone gets ganked at least once. The Winners learn from it. Losers just say “thanks for reminding me why I quit eve the first time”. lol-oser Not getting ganked is actually very easy once you are aware and educate yourself. Ganking makes eve a better place. You can’t have fun if there’s no challenge and nothing to learn. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/362 "2022-11-26T15:16:36Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Ganking a Venture in HS is NOT actual PvP PvP = Player vs Player. Yup, its PvP. > [@x123xxx](#): > > the majority of… Citation required. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/363 "2022-11-26T15:20:33Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > You can’t a̶f̶f̶o̶r̶d̶ waste money on a cloaky Astero? Corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Oto\_Han\_Zero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oto_han_zero/32/386734_2.png) [@Oto\_Han\_Zero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oto_Han_Zero)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/364 "2022-11-26T15:22:30Z")
Normally I don’t post here, but in this case. You need professional real-life help. People like you and all the ppl out there thinking that it’s great to kill ventures are the real Losers here. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/365 "2022-11-26T15:27:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Jackweed](#): > > Not getting ganked is actually very easy This isn’t true of Abyssal runners. If the gankers are smart, you’ll never know they’re there until it’s too late. You can do EVERYTHING right and still get ganked. * * * > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > C̶o̶r̶r̶e̶c̶t̶e̶d̶.̶ Poor. * * * > [@Oto\_Han\_Zero](#): > > all the ppl out there thinking that it’s great to kill ventures are the real Losers here. Very well put Sir. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/366 "2022-11-26T15:27:52Z")
> [@Oto\_Han\_Zero](#): > > People like you and all the ppl out there thinking that it’s great to kill ventures are the real Losers here. I thought the people that lost their Venture are losers, by definition. 🤔 I’m a big loser because I lose a lot of ships. But I also kill a lot of ships and make other people losers too. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/367 "2022-11-26T15:35:21Z")
> [@Oto\_Han\_Zero](#): > > People like you and all the ppl out there thinking that it’s great to kill ventures are the real Losers here. That makes CCP the ultimate ‘losers’…as the _majority_ of Ventures are lost via NPC rats that CCP coded into the game. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/368 "2022-11-26T15:43:42Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > CCP coded into the game This we can agree on and is working as intended. I also agree that gankers are rats. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/2/6/126221f66db5f9b68e36a095f71c2dea11ee6064.png) * * * \*I love that one… ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/369 "2022-11-26T15:47:52Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Eve Dev’s understand that most people play the game so they can **build something** , not tear it down. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/8/5840844730a9368c8688e3c290f246df898665fd.jpeg "EVE Online: Citadel Cinematic Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bjTrPutt4k) ccp disagrees ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/370 "2022-11-26T15:58:22Z")
I usually agree with and respect your opinion. However, you’re being disingenuous on **porpoise** or through no fault of your own. The subject at hand is HS GANKING. I’ve already stated that “what happens in LS/Null is fair game”. As is WD’s and such, being intended mechanics. If you look at the example you offered (⬇) you’ll see Avatars, which I’m pretty sure aren’t allowed in HS. Let’s try to keep the argument within the confines of HS Ganking, please. Some of my fondest 2003 memories are bashing POS’s. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/a/5/fa53775704ab19b2428bc49d533d826974fa8d9a.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/371 "2022-11-26T16:18:35Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > ccp disagrees [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/f/5/9f570a5f4e5c4c3714dc10801c3fce76891521af.jpeg "EVE Online - Industrialists Shape EVE") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOS6c-zd0M) * * * What about this type of advertising? Does it mention HS ganking? Does it even imply that there’s danger in HS? How would someone that started playing after watching that trailer EXPECT to get ganked? Again, when a new player jumps into LS/Null there’s a warning. * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/1/5/e1553b4e464c2da61e434e5f91930f07253698b8.gif) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/372 "2022-11-26T16:19:05Z")
The log in screen looked like this if you remember so their intent was for all of eve not just null. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/0/6/e066d83cb2d8126fd28802737df245ecef8fd3d0.jpeg) Hard to miss those big letters when logging in, also what Is the first rule of EVE “\* don’t undock in a ship you are not prepared to lose \*” [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=17)