# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/373 "2022-11-26T16:22:14Z")
I respectably disagree. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/7/aa76630df744553e343027c3648379496c0a47c1.png) * * * > As an industrialist, you will gather raw resources from across the universe, refine them, and manufacture virtually everything found in-game. Play your cards right, and you could earn your fortune in space following this path! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/374 "2022-11-26T16:41:54Z")
I dunno theres still a risk. Better to ban it outright and avoid the trouble. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/375 "2022-11-26T17:35:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > avoid the trouble You do realize that you’re not coming across as clever…right? * * * People commit to [**THIS**](https://evepraisal.com/a/15i9up) in order to make more ISK and your lot thinks they deserve to be ganked in HS. How do you justify this thought process? * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/1/5/115c3c614575a97f54b0cd7ed6e6c3829574e278.gif) * * * ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/377 "2022-11-26T20:10:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > target dummy You mean a bot that will dock up at the 1st sign of trouble. We already have npc’s. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > no difference to the mechanic. The difference is a human should be able to spot the threat instead of a bot doing it for you. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/378 "2022-11-26T20:27:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > We get it, _you_ like PvP, _you_ think the game should be a PvP arena and nothing more. Not really. * * * > **[Altara Zemara | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2119261944/)** > > Altara Zemara: 433 ships destroyed and 8 ships lost. * * * Is this what hardcore PvP looks like? * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/c/3/ac34a0163acae520ba107c40230128ab791c1bac.png) * * * ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/379 "2022-11-26T20:31:47Z")
One of my mains has more zkillz than **ALT** ara ever will. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/9/9399af0d3f85812dabc09ca7223a58ada4f5dc16.png) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/380 "2022-11-27T02:41:57Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > They do this a lot. They flag with multiple accounts, then when you edit they flag again so the post gets removed, then they can claim you said something you didn’t. If they flag enough posts they can sometimes get ISDs to throw on a temporary ban even if you’ve broken no rules. They also dogpile on with attacks. The end result is that in the past they’ve managed to drive some people off of the forum. Yes bro, we know you do this all the time 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > They will lose in the long run, as evidenced by this expansion. No one likes a bully. Eve Dev’s understand that most people play the game so they can **build something** , not tear it down. Actually the point is to build something up while tearing something down someone else built up 😃 > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You claim to be posting on your ‘main’, yet your alleged ‘main’ hasn’t done any combat activity for almost 3 years…and we see zero indication of any alt that has. You wouldn’t waste a second posting even an average killboard if any of your alts actually had one ! He has a whole logi fleet. And so many combat pilots. Like, so many. Trust him bro 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > He isn’t trying to curtail PvP, just what you’re calling PvP. Ganking a Venture in HS is NOT actual PvP. Some people think it is, but the majority of PAYING SUBSCRIBERS do not. Except it is PvP 😃 Oh. Majority? Like how many? You must have some sort of proof, like a signed petition saying that right? Right? > [@Oto\_Han\_Zero](#): > > Normally I don’t post here, but in this case. You need professional real-life help. People like you and all the ppl out there thinking that it’s great to kill ventures are the real Losers here. ROFL another dude who can’t tell the difference between real life and a vidya game. But they are the ones who need help. Riiight. > [@x123xxx](#): > > This isn’t true of Abyssal runners. If the gankers are smart, you’ll never know they’re there until it’s too late. You can do EVERYTHING right and still get ganked. Of course it’s true. Smart abyssal runners never get ganked. Ain’t our fault you aren’t smart 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > I’ve already stated that “what happens in LS/Null is fair game” Correction, whatever happens once you undock is fair game 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > I respectably disagree. You realize that’s just a blurb describing a playstyle as an advertisement right? Right? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I disagree. A ganker isn’t fighting a player, they are racing concord. The target could be replaced with a target dummy and it’d make no difference to the mechanic. You can disagree all you want. You’re still wrong. You’re basically a flat earther bruv 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > One of my mains has more zkillz than **ALT** ara ever will. Oh? Drop the name 😃 Or else why should we believe you? That literally could be anyone’s zkill LOL. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/381 "2022-11-27T02:59:52Z")
I love to hear the gankers saying, “ **these changes don’t affect me** ”…while crying the whole time. - Can’t dock ✅ - Can’t tether ✅ - Can’t PvP ✅ - Can’t get over it ✅ - Can’t stop crying ✅ * * * On a side note, how does a _cruiser_ kill a dreadnaught? * * * > **[Revelation | cloth amarkind | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/104909329/)** > > cloth amarkind (cloth Successor Organisation) lost their Revelation in CKX-RW (Immensea). Final Blow by vipkiller (Southern Cross Monopoly) flying in a Stratios. Total Value: 12,701,995,382.10 ISK * * * ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/382 "2022-11-27T03:00:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > That literally could be anyone’s zkill LOL. It’s not even impressive. Just a lot of meaningless 1-point fleet warfare kills. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/383 "2022-11-27T04:43:36Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > I love to hear the gankers saying, “ **these changes don’t affect me** ”…while crying the whole time. Yet somehow ganking is still happening… ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/384 "2022-11-27T05:45:30Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > On a side note, how does a _cruiser_ kill a dreadnaught? no neut no web no reps you click orbit at 500m and f1 ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/387 "2022-11-27T08:23:51Z")
That’s a lot of BS. Reads like you’re lying and desperately trying to save face. Your killboards say %99 gangs and only %70 dangerous. This means you fly in a fleet 99/100 times and STILL die a lot. It’s no wonder you’re so angry, your eve career has been a massive joke 😂😂😂 Also why would ANYONE care what a player like you calls anything? Oh right… They don’t. Ganking, griefing, bla bla. Non-cowards call it PVP. Get a life child. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/388 "2022-11-27T09:29:49Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > Your killboards say %99 gangs and only %70 dangerous. To be fair this is pretty standard for generic null-sec fleet warfare, but I’d hardly call that “real PvP” anyway since you’re just basically killing and dying in large groups without any conscious input and maneuvering on your part. It’s just not very impressive to take a bunch of fleet warps, F1+click on some broadcasts on top of your overview, and then collect the alliance SRP payment when you wake up in your home station. They call it “real PvP” because they want to delude themselves into thinking that they’re skilled and respected warriors, but the reality of the matter is that these players are usually completely incapable of handling solo/small-scale engagements in which they have to think about and consider every action. Their entire gameplay loop can be automated in about 50 lines of AHK code with at most two conditional statements. ---
**Author:** ![Firnikkar\_Firn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/firnikkar_firn/32/344253_2.png) [@Firnikkar\_Firn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Firnikkar_Firn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/389 "2022-11-27T09:34:33Z")
I was instructed to be nice to the eve online community and not to shoot too much… ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/390 "2022-11-27T10:03:52Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > They bully in-game and in the forums and wonder why there’s anyone to oppose them. They will lose in the long run, as evidenced by this expansion. No one likes a bully. Exactly right. Bullies can bully for a time until decent people take charge of things and stop them. I’m glad CCP decided to do something about the bullying and griefing in the game. > [@x123xxx](#): > > No one likes a bully. Eve Dev’s understand that most people play the game so they can **build something** , not tear it down. They’re finally understanding that bullies and jerks drive players away. And yes, people play games to build up, not tear down like mindless beasts who are only comfy with destruction and scams. Ganking is a tool for the lazy and PvP is on it’s way out. The Future is PvE Mr. Bedlam 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/392 "2022-11-27T13:10:18Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > To be fair this is pretty standard for generic null-sec fleet warfare _If_ you get nullsec fights at all. At some point it seems like null sec changed from “winning is undocking and fighting in big fleet battles and coming out on top” to “winning is whoever has the biggest reserves of capitals in hangar” so nullsec doesn’t even really fight battles in the first place. It seems it’s all about whoever can build up the largest stockpiles. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/393 "2022-11-27T14:06:53Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > it’s all about whoever can build up Yes, this is the human condition. Having a strong military prevents war, which is what normal people want. * * * > [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > The Future is PvE > Mr. Bedlam 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/394 "2022-11-27T14:39:14Z")
I prefer this version…I’m sure I can read ‘Whiny Carebears’ on that station. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/b/c/0bce0bf306d61ab4c7385cdd1a8116c2cf5c4e29.jpeg "Bring on the Wrecking Machine") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4jMyIPEq4) ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/395 "2022-11-27T15:51:36Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I prefer this version… I ABSOLUTELY LOVE how your examples for this thread **take place in Null**. When was the last time you saw a Titan or Super in HS? * * * You’d be laughed out of a courtroom… * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/a/3da05850af7b1f1d408c4908a20bb57c79b9765b.gif) * * * [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/1/f8113fa113ff733bac98c4375fe63542f876af8d.jpeg "Marilyn Manson - Sweet Dreams (GAMER music video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwNuf1ju1g) ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/396 "2022-11-27T16:38:31Z")
Alpha ganking has effectively been removed. But ganking will be here forever. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=18)