# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/22 "2022-11-21T09:45:08Z")
Is he having a stroke? ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/23 "2022-11-21T09:47:47Z")
untamed hybrid out of control… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/25 "2022-11-21T10:23:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Just to be clear, does this mean you support NPCs creating artificial demand? I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, in fact I tend to agree, but I thought you were heavily opposed to this kind of thing. LOL I’ve played a lot more MMOs than you mate 😃 You have no idea what I think is good for the game. It can be used to generate PvP. I’d even make ganking part of paragon points. Again bruv, you got a very small perspective on what MMOs actually need to thrive 😃 Also it isn’t artificial demand LOL. Paragon agents are just quest givers dude. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/27 "2022-11-21T10:35:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I doubt that. LOL I’ve played pretty much every MMO since UO and MUDs my guy 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think ship donations is doing the opposite though isn’t it? There’s diminishing destruction across the game due to a number of factors (not least of which scarcity creating an “Oh I won’t undock then” attitude) and this has a knock on effect on the markets driving down activity. So CCP are putting in NPC asset sinks to drive up consumption of materials. LOL. You don’t even understand what it does huh? That’s apparent. Drives down activity? ROFL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You can continue to believe that all you want. Considering you think that shooting new players and forcing unwanted interaction is what an MMO needs to survive I rarely take your opinions seriously. Who said new players? But “new” players also deserve a chance to die too. Unwanted but not un-consented to. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Uhhh, yes it is. People are buying ships purely to fill the NPC demand for ships. Who makes the ships bruv? ROFL. The fact that you can’t see how this can help the market and even create new ones, tells me very much you are not the titan of industry you claim to be LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/29 "2022-11-21T11:48:41Z")
I suppose it’s an achievement that we’ve managed to hold on to this game for so long, but with the world’s evolving social climate, it’s probably going to be impossible to run an open-world PvP game soon. Society is simply saying “no” toward this as it evolves, just like toward comedians being able to joke about anything, or toward monogamy. You either conform, or find yourself living on the fringes, persecuted for your viewpoints. And it’s not just EVE, too. In pretty much every similar game I play, people are saying “this game needs to be changed, if you don’t like it you can go play a different game, or make your own.” The end result is that if you like open-world PvP, you have nowhere to go, because a product for you is simply _not allowed to exist._ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/30 "2022-11-21T12:13:01Z")
Some truths, such as this, are self evident. But please check the MER if you need what passes for proof on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/31 "2022-11-21T12:22:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But please check the MER if you need what passes for proof on these forums. I’ll do better than that. This evening when I get home I’ll get into one of my ships, an Atron or I might even take a Catalyst, and fly straight to Nullsec. We’ll see how long I last. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/32 "2022-11-21T12:23:13Z")
If ganking had such a small impact on your gameplay that you haven’t noticed it being nerfed, did the nerf really need to happen, or was this all hyped beyond belief by terrified puppies? I saw a fleet of around 8 freighters AFK autopiloting no more than 5 jumps out of Jita yesterday. We bumped one about for a bit without response. If this is the brave new world of fully AFK piloting that highsec wanted, good luck with making any profit from… Well… Anything. Never have I been more in support of the destruction of bot-aspirants. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/33 "2022-11-21T12:28:27Z")
Not sure what thatll prove but you go right ahead. Your in a Null Alliance, right? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/34 "2022-11-21T12:29:09Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Your in a Null Alliance, right? No. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Not sure what thatll prove It will disprove your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/35 "2022-11-21T12:29:25Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > If this is the brave new world of fully AFK piloting that nullsec wanted, good luck with making any profit from… Well… Anything Changed it so you hopefully see the point of why people were asking for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/36 "2022-11-21T12:30:00Z")
Not if you arent in an Alliance it wont, sorry old chum. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/37 "2022-11-21T12:31:25Z")
A whole bunch of gankers like Shadow and Apo have quit after the changes went live. There are just not enough players to perform these ganks now. I think Hawk is the last big-shot ganker who still operates, and the other few who remain pick off easy haulers and such, or just derp about without any specific purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/38 "2022-11-21T12:33:04Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Not if you arent in an Alliance it wont, sorry old chum Whatever, ol’ chum. I’ll do it, post it on the forum under your unsourced statement and it will disprove your point. As simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/39 "2022-11-21T12:35:51Z")
Sure you will. I believe you Thousands wouldnt. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/40 "2022-11-21T12:40:07Z")
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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/41 "2022-11-21T12:42:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s room for both to coexist but you aren’t willing to accept that. I want to play a game where I can be attacked no matter what I do or where I do it. Every time a game like that is made for me, a bunch of people come into it and start demanding for it to be changed to one where this is not possible. I really can’t make it any more simple for you. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/42 "2022-11-21T12:43:34Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Sure you will. That’s going to look great on the forum 😃 Ramona says: Nullsec safer than high Bedlam comes in BOOM in-game proof! Mic drop ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/a/8/7a88347a040c8626c86a2219b13ce82ee90fd4a4.webp "michael jackson moonwalk GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/43 "2022-11-21T12:45:30Z")
> [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > Ramona says: Nullsec safer than high No I didnt. If thats what you are basing it on you should probably learn some english. Also theres no hand mic in your gif. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/45 "2022-11-21T12:48:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then don’t leave the places you can be attacked. No thanks, I want this to be the default experience, and not a handicap I have to selectively enforce on myself to be able to subject myself to this experience that other players can selectively opt out of. I want a hardcore PvP environment that doesn’t _force_ me to operate at a handicap among other players. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think what you really mean is you want a game where not only can _you_ be attacked wherever you go or whatever you do, but that experience is forced on everyone else that plays. Now you get it! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I want a game where I can casually chill out to some spreadsheets in space and go out fighting as and when I choose to. Cool, you have many options. Hundreds of games on the market offer you this kind of experience. How many options do I have? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=3)