# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/98 "2022-11-21T18:38:21Z")
The way to solve this problem is to petition CCP to remove auto piloting from the game. I never afk while in game and never auto pilot. Who were the auto pilots who were they associated with and did they not fear ganking because they or their friends are associated with the gankers? It is easy to move through friendly controlled space when no one else is hunting you. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/99 "2022-11-21T18:40:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because as I’ve clearly stated, the one area it does have an impact is on new players and new player retention. Do you have a citation for that one, then? I mean, the last I’ve seen on the topic CCP were quite happy saying that ganking/loss actually increased retention. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s only been since then So, only the last ten years, encompassing the highest player counts that Eve ever had. Gotcha. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > it would take thousands, if not tens of thousands of freighter trips I’m not talking about moving the hubs. I’m talking about resource gathering corps’ tendency to set up within a relatively small number of jumps of a hub. Because logistics is far easier. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > this will almost certainly be due to stockpiles being slowly released Please do look into it. I’m 100% confident this is not the case, the people I know in that part of the game - those that are still playing - are pretty clear on the topic. Ultimately it comes down to, if you like, an aesthetic or philosophical question: is the freedom to commit violence in highsec (within boundaries) fundamental to the “idea of Eve”? Does continually chipping away at this concept of Eve as dark and dangerous to appease safety loving carebears benefit the “core” of Eve as a concept? I would argue that it does, significantly, and any temporary increase in numbers would be exactly that - temporary, before everyone just fades away. The fact is that the world of Eve online is a large part of what attracts people - the scams, the ganks, the treachery, the wheeler-dealing, the stupid corp politics - all of that. Even people who detest the ganking culture admit that. What we cannot know is by how much that “feel” is reduced each time core elements are whittled away in appeasements, but from that perspective these are dangerous things you suggest tinkering with. ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/100 "2022-11-21T18:48:22Z")
What is this? I’m afraid I don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/101 "2022-11-21T18:51:10Z")
What needs to be done to make every player play the game? Remove auto pilot from the game. This will make players play the game. Make standing in high sec mean something, the new mechanics is a start, High sec a place of law and order to a point. It will not keep the random crack head from smoking on the sub way but it will help. Low sec should not have a standing hit for PVP, just more gate guns and stronger gate guns but only on gates from high sec to low sec. CCP these are reasonable changes so PVP can still thrive. Personally Null sec players have no clue how to PVP and only Low Sec Players as well as Worm Hole Players are pure PVPers. Everyone over the years know that Null Sec is nothing but a Farmville and that they are adverse to loss unable to adapt to real dangers. I once listened to a Null Nerd on his groups pod cast say that his opinion only mattered ( while pretending to represent the populous of eve) and that if we wanted an opinion that we could get our own pod cast. THESE FORUMS ARE OUR POD CAST AND WE ARE CALLING YOU OUT DUDE. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/103 "2022-11-21T19:02:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why wouldn’t you do this anyway? Most moon miners won’t be capable of fielding a ganking fleet anyway. The idea is that it’s supposed to create competitive mining, because that in itself is a form of PvP. I’m sure CCP will be happy to know you’ll be running 20 omega accounts if they remove ganking though Oh my god. I just agreed with Lucas on something. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/104 "2022-11-21T19:09:00Z")
I mean, if coming into a long-standing open-world PvP game and demanding that basically all piracy (a core tenet of the relatively rare “spaceship western” theme) be replaced with “competitive mining” isn’t indicative of the presence of some kind of mental disorder, _I don’t know what is._ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/105 "2022-11-21T19:23:36Z")
There was a movie called Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. These two guys ran around and got into a bunch of mischief, it was a lot of fun. But they ended up getting in trouble with the faction police (or the 1899 Mexican equivalent). At the end, they were outnumbered having a shootout. They knew that their odds weren’t good, but they decided that their best chance was to charge out with guns blazing, trying to get past the police in the street, and on to freedom. What they didn’t realize was that, while they were talking, half the Mexican army arrived and set up in the street with the police, complete with machine guns and a hundred more soldiers. Butch and Sundance didn’t have any chance of winning whatsoever. The movie ends with them bursting out of the church shooting their guns. The movie never shows them getting killed. The picture I put up is the final frame of the movie. The comparison I was making is that QuakeGod and these other players that are claiming that this-or-that will ruin Eve are like the two guys in the church versus the Mexican Army. They still think they can win, because there might be some hopeful areas left in the game. When, in fact, the game is already lost and there is no way to save it. I guess you can continue to enjoy it until CCP removes the very last bit of enjoyable gameplay, but we can all be sure that they will, eventually. Or perhaps we will never get to that point and the servers will go dark before CCP manages to fully kill everything great that Eve ever was. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/106 "2022-11-21T19:47:29Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Not having to worry about permanent loss in a game entirely about meaningful loss defeats the point and undermines players’ agency: when losing stuff doesn’t matter, there is no motivation to have and exert agency in the first place. It becomes purely about ego and griefing at that point. > > All those PVE-er’s only opting into the PVP they’re guaranteed to win because their fragile minds cannot handle loss. Yep. People also don’t understand the market forces at play either. > [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > What this does do is level the playing field a bit more is all the new mechanics do. It was always level. People just suck at the game and had to cry to CCP for help. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > just a sever where highsec has no non-consensual PvP. Except all PvP is consensual 😃 > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This kind of dynamic could only exist in a game environment where the population is split like this. I’ve played quite a few other games with split servers where things were similar, but H1Z1 stands out because it was a _popular_ game. In less-popular games, the PvE servers are usually empty. I’m sad the Division series fell off. The Dark Zone was super fun and a good mix of PvE and PvP, esp getting the loot out. So intense waiting for the helo to come and all the firefights it started. > [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > What this mechanic hopefully will do is bring more people back into the game that stay longer than two weeks. It wasn’t ganking making them quit LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m genuinely of the belief that it’s perfectly possible for EVE to cater to PvE players and PvP players then encourage crossovers through choice. I don’t think forcing PvP on someone that has no interest in it is a good thing to do. Obviously there has to be limits on what you can do without PvP risk, I just think that limit should be “just highsec”. And we all know why you want this bruv 😃 It ain’t to help the game or the nubs. Its to help you 😃 > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > Oh my god. I just agreed with Lucas on something. Only because they don’t understand the game they are playing. In reality, all pilots are PvP pilots whether they want to be or not. If more people took the time to know the game they are actually playing, it’d be different. > [@Xeux](#): > > The comparison I was making is that QuakeGod and these other players that are claiming that this-or-that will ruin Eve are like the two guys in the church versus the Mexican Army. They still think they can win, because there might be some hopeful areas left in the game. When, in fact, the game is already lost and there is no way to save it. I guess you can continue to enjoy it until CCP removes the very last bit of enjoyable gameplay, but we can all be sure that they will, eventually. Or perhaps we will never get to that point and the servers will go dark before CCP manages to fully kill everything great that Eve ever was. It’s a slow burn. The ganking nerf is a clear signal tho. UO didn’t self destruct over night either. Without meaningful loss, there can be no meaningful stories. ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/107 "2022-11-21T20:03:43Z")
Yea, this is honestly my biggest problem with the “PvE Only” club. They are a plague in every game nowadays and have destroyed every PvP based MMO I’ve ever been apart of. If they’d stop complaining and just L2P I’d be all about it. PvE away. This “I shouldn’t have to overcome any hardships” mentality is pure entitlement and if you’re one of these players you really don’t deserve any consideration. Actually, you deserved to get ruthlessly hunted out of every PvP game you try to destroy. Honestly I’ve started playing Albion recently and it seems they’ve had the same issues. Watering down of PvP content because of risk averse clowns that should quite simply be playing a different game. That’s really the thing these folks don’t understand. There’s a million games that cater to them specifically. There’s only 2 games that have what I want (eve and Albion) and both have been watered down to the point of not being any fun for a PvP player because of incessant whining from carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/108 "2022-11-21T20:07:04Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > There’s only 2 games that have what I want (eve and Albion) and both have been watered down to the point of not being any fun for a PvP player because of incessant whining from carebears. You want **two whole games** to cater to you specifically? Sounds a bit selfish to me… ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/109 "2022-11-21T20:12:48Z")
I would actually appreciate just one. Literally one. Because currently there are none. Albion and Eve have both been castrated content-wise. Both for basically the same reason: Entitled brats whining that they can’t be 100% safe from PvP… In a PvP game. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/110 "2022-11-21T20:27:27Z")
Destroying PvP games is a minor problem. These same entitled people are damaging the entire social fabric at every level. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/111 "2022-11-21T20:28:03Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > Honestly I’ve started playing Albion recently and it seems they’ve had the same issues. Watering down of PvP content because of risk averse clowns that should quite simply be playing a different game. > > That’s really the thing these folks don’t understand. There’s a million games that cater to them specifically. There’s only 2 games that have what I want (eve and Albion) and both have been watered down to the point of not being any fun for a PvP player because of incessant whining from carebears. Try UO Outlands. Free UO server. Great depth to PvE as well as PvP. Tons of murderers and people who fight them. People hate on Aiko for RPing, wait till they meet all the orcs and drow RPers there who murder peeps on the regular 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/112 "2022-11-21T20:43:46Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > These same entitled people are damaging the entire social fabric at every level. This is the uncomfortable truth. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/113 "2022-11-21T20:48:03Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Destroying PvP games is a minor problem. These same entitled people are damaging the entire social fabric at every level. If you don’t appreciate the massive gains made to social progress and don’t want to conform to your newly improved and expanded liberties, well, maybe you should just _die_ then? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/114 "2022-11-21T20:52:51Z")
Re-Watch Demolition Man. We are living in that movie. ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/115 "2022-11-21T21:19:28Z")
Who, What When Where, “These entitled people”. Who are you talking about ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/116 "2022-11-21T21:19:48Z")
The only effect of the ganking changes is that I ditched my 600 DPS Alpha clone ganker…and now have an 800 DPS Omega ganker. I wish to thank all the anti gankers for helping to improve my ganking skills. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/117 "2022-11-21T21:21:23Z")
People who think that the world needs to change. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/118 "2022-11-21T21:25:13Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > The removal of all high sec ganking would carry with it consequences that you carebears haven’t even thought of. For example, moon mining. If CCP completely removed ganking from high sec, I would be one of the first to roll up on your moon mining OP with 20 accounts and suck up all of the ore. And there’s nothing you could do about it. You can’t gank me, and as I own no structures, you can’t wardec me either. Then you’ll go crying and begging to CCP to put a stop to it… The same goes for bumping. The only way to deal with some guy who keeps on and on bumping miners is to gank them. Remove ganking, and bumpers become invincible. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=6)