# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/119 "2022-11-21T21:29:04Z")
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**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/120 "2022-11-21T21:30:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Encompassing and constant drop in players from a peak. Nicely dodged, but my point was this: when was that peak? Before or after the creation of CODE. and the ganking for profit? Several years after. Your point is an illusion here. Ganking in Eve never stopped the peak player count this game saw. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not sure why you think it would be any worse if they removed ganking though. I’m saying that without freighter ganking being a risk, there is less incentive to cluster around the trade hubs, and therefore less of a bottleneck in resource availability as players are more free to expand into lesser-travelled areas. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Prices have gone up though A stabilisation at the bottom of a multi-year trough, not an increase (other than marginally for R4s going into cap production). > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because what that really means is that the game is no longer a sandbox This doesn’t follow. You are arguing that restricting a type of play in certain areas makes a game _more_ of a sandbox? This is oxymoronic. The literal definition of a sandbox game is one in which players are free to play as they choose, where they choose. I don’t disagree at a higher level that some boundaries are necessary, but trying to claim there’s more sand in the box when you stop players playing is incorrect. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Obviously there has to be limits on what you can do without PvP risk Without the risk that - according to you - is insignificant in the scheme of things, and has so little bearing on the wider game that it is functionally irrelevant? Again, this is a case of you wishing to have your cake and eat it. Either ganking is relevant to the broader game economy, or it isn’t. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > With ganking there is no real choice, if you are in space you can be ganked Of course there is choice. The choices are well known, and widely discussed. Fit for tank, or for DPS. If you’re moving freight, carry only an amount that makes you unattractive to gank, with a fit that makes you a hard target. Or don’t, and run the risk of being taken. Learn to check your surroundings, using local and d-scan. Be aware of what pilots are in system. Pay attention to who is killing whom near to where you live. Look up the wider corporate politics, why shouldn’t you run an orca during a vengeful ganker’s killing spree. There are the things that player’s stories in Eve are made of - yes, even at the start. Those guys that camped me into station back in 09? I looked them up when I came back a few years later, and joined a group that was fighting them. I extracted my revenge. The corp they were in? Ended up in Co2, and my first nullsec experiences were fighting against that coalition. Later still, I got ganked in a wormhole in my shiny new Stratios (like a fool, I took the bait). I moved to wormholes, kept my eyes open for the group that killed me, and have since murdered every last one of them. You say that ganking is bad for new players - I say, that this is only the case where those new players have not yet internalised that ships are ammo in Eve, and their death is inevitable. That this should be taught quickly, and repeatedly, should be obvious to any long-term player. The losses may be significant in the moment, but are ultimately easily overcome. More importantly, the learning about the reality of Eve is invaluable to shaping the experience and expectations of new players. Without this element, we will simply be producing more generations of Eve pilots that are risk-averse, hiding away from conflict and trial to scurry out to their safe farms - be those high sec, or null. This is the mindset that allows for mega-blocs and stagnations, of content-averse players and fear of loss antithetical to the uniqueness of Eve online. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/121 "2022-11-21T21:33:58Z")
The fun thing about Lucas is that he always thinks he is winning the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/123 "2022-11-21T21:47:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The idea is that it’s supposed to create competitive mining, because that in itself is a form of PvP. Ostensibly…but I’d argue that something where there’s no record of the outcome and no conceivable bragging rights is the real ’ not true PvP’. If I take an Orca and suck an asteroid belt dry so nobody else finds anything there…what have I ‘won’ ? It’s possibly nobody would even know that I, alone, did it. I think proper PvP involves a bit more than a Machiavelian smirk. ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/125 "2022-11-21T21:54:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Most PvE players are entirely happy coexisting with PvP as long as they can engage in at least some PvE without being forced to PvP. That’s not coexisting with PvP players. That’s joining a PvP game and being entitled enough to think that you shouldn’t have to PvP. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The problem is that you want to PvP, but you’re terrible at it Baseless, I’ve done every form of PvP imaginable in this game. HS, LS, NS, small group, solo, blobs, wars, baiting, ganking, literally all of it. I’m obviously not the GOAT but I’m pretty damn good at PvP in general. The problem is, you and most others like you fail to understand that many of us like to PvP for our PROFESSION. To me, PvPing at a loss and then having to PvE to compensate is in fact losing the game. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re the one refusing to compromise - to the point that you won’t even accept the idea of a second gank-free server - and when it comes down to your ridiculous demands vs a game actually surviving, developers tend to put survival of the game over your feelings. The game is changing bud, get over it or get out. I don’t care which. A separate PvE only server would kill the game outright. We can’t afford another fracture of our playerbase. Not to mention a PvE-only server would completely crumble without PvP destruction to fuel demand. Not to mention it’s horribly entitled for you to come to a PvP game and actually expect them to start an entire separate server with game rules that revolve around what you specifically want to do. So pathetic. As far as the game changing, sure, but is it for the better? Obviously not. Eve has hemorrhaged subs for a decade specifically because of the removal of PvP content. I’ve seen multiple entire PvP communities get completely demolished over my 10+ years of playing this game. All to serve some solo mission runner that, 10 years later, no longer plays because it turns out PvEing ad nauseum isn’t the point of this game. Anyways, I don’t expect you acknowledge any of these and fully expect you to continue to gaslight and lie about literally everything. Your perspective is so warped it’s pathetic really. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/127 "2022-11-21T22:15:12Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > Without the risk that - according to you - is insignificant in the scheme of things, and has so little bearing on the wider game that it is functionally irrelevant? Again, this is a case of you wishing to have your cake and eat it. Either ganking is relevant to the broader game economy, or it isn’t. Its typical Lucas. Something is miniscule when it suits him and massive when it suits him. This is what happens when someone becomes so obsessed with a cause that they completely lose sight of the wood for the trees and honest discussion becomes impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/129 "2022-11-21T22:39:44Z")
> [@Un\_tamed](#): > > Ramona Its an actual name, unlike Un. Seriously are you guys bots or what? Oh wait, this about you thinking Null is dangerous, so yeah, bots. Or krabs. Or both. ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/130 "2022-11-21T22:46:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You shouldn’t _have_ to PvP in a sandbox game. If you want a PvP arena, this ain’t it. Have you played Albion? They have exactly the safe-zone you’re talking about and guess what? It’s pointless to stay there. The amount you’d make in an hour in the SafeZone would take mere seconds in the black zone. As such, anyone outside of the tutorial heads straight to the most dangerous place to make money. So back to Eve. CCP would have to CASTRATE HS PvE profitability to make it a safe zone. To the point you’d HAVE to go to low or null to make any meaningful isk. Furthermore, there are far more people out hunting SPECIFICALLY PvEers in those zones because it would be the only place to accomplish anything PvEwise. It will just keep cascading. Next you’ll want a safer low and null sec. It’s just entitlement man. A player driven market only functions when everyone faces the same risk/reward. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Total crap. The biggest drops in player numbers have been when CCP put in things that damage PvE. They rolled back the null PvE nerf because it had such a profound negative effect on the playerbase. Here you go again with the lies and gaslighting. I could go through an entire timeline with examples and proof but it’s been done a million times, you’re just going to continue to gaslight and I have an exciting RL and ain’t got the time. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The reason you guys keep strawmaning this is that you know that if they spun up a server without ganking it would be more popular than the one with ganking and you’d be proven wrong. It wouldn’t be more popular and both servers would be dead. ---
**Author:** ![Un\_tamed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/un_tamed/32/342382_2.png) [@Un\_tamed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Un_tamed)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/131 "2022-11-21T22:49:40Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > so yeah, bots. Or krabs. Or … … fish. Or birds. Or- hey! It’s Superman! ---
**Author:** ![Eteonx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eteonx/32/343670_2.png) [@Eteonx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eteonx)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/132 "2022-11-21T22:50:26Z")
Quit making Ramona look like a dummy or else he’ll complain about your name again. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/133 "2022-11-21T22:50:48Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Most PvE players are entirely happy coexisting with PvP as long as they can engage in at least some PvE without being forced to PvP. When did ‘most PvE players’ elect _you_ as their spokesperson ? When was the massive questionnaire asking what ‘most PvE players’ thought about it all ? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/134 "2022-11-21T22:51:36Z")
You gonna talk to an obvious forum bot again for our amusment? Pretty funny in that other thread ---
**Author:** ![Eteonx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eteonx/32/343670_2.png) [@Eteonx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eteonx)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/135 "2022-11-21T22:52:28Z")
What are you going to do about it, boy? ---
**Author:** ![Un\_tamed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/un_tamed/32/342382_2.png) [@Un\_tamed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Un_tamed)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/136 "2022-11-21T22:52:44Z")
> [@Eteonx](#): > > Quit making Ramona look like a dummy He doesn’t just _look_ like a dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/137 "2022-11-21T22:52:53Z")
Why would I want to do anything about it girl? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/138 "2022-11-21T22:53:13Z")
Rather a dummy than a krab any day ---
**Author:** ![Eteonx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eteonx/32/343670_2.png) [@Eteonx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eteonx)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/139 "2022-11-21T22:53:22Z")
Fight me or kiss me you beautiful bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/140 "2022-11-21T22:53:32Z")
Why not both? ---
**Author:** ![Eteonx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eteonx/32/343670_2.png) [@Eteonx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eteonx)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/141 "2022-11-21T22:53:57Z")
Lucas has been replying for the last 5 mins I’m getting anxious. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/142 "2022-11-21T22:55:57Z")
majority of the freighters these days are on autopilot the risk of being ganked is extremely, but extremely low and you can mitigate this risk to exactly 0 if you don’t: - transfer more than 2bil - don’t have cargoholds or even better have 1-3 bulkheads This is why you often see 5-10 freighters being multiboxed and autopilotting simultaneously - this way neither is worth to gank The cost of the freighter gank is around 1bil itself, using catalysts it can be like 500 but then you need to plex/sub more accounts and with last tether nerf, each such gank char needs to use clone soldier tags which further increases the costs. And there is 50% chance for each item to drop, so the 2bilions are basically a miimum for the gank to be profitable and pay back at least input cost. And there is a risk of antigankers saving the freighter or stealing the loot. There is daily like 1000 freighters passing Sivala. Majority if on autopilot. And the last nerfs made them even more safe. What you are cheering for was never a problem, these fleets were using omega accounts as they were mostly multiboxed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=7)