# So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377 "2022-11-21T04:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/167 "2022-11-22T09:04:22Z")
How did that roam to null go last night? Oh you didnt do it? Hey look I was right after all! Well played though, better luck next game [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/4/345769f9a249a5ba9804bb9d33f10e85436c594d.jpeg "Game Over Yeah!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsS_VMzY10I) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/170 "2022-11-22T09:35:44Z")
Has he gone into a hyperbolic rant that the view of freedom held by those of us arguing against him equates to anarchy yet? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/171 "2022-11-22T10:07:36Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL I’ve played a lot more MMOs than you mate remember priston tale?? lol i played that ■■■■ a lot auto mech that was hardcore , die , lost 1 month of progress 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/172 "2022-11-22T10:21:16Z")
Yup. I miss old school SWG. A shame the jedi killed the game. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/173 "2022-11-22T11:43:41Z")
No idea, and quite frankly dont care to know. Riding on the freedom of the game until CCP tries to put me on rails, then I am out. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/174 "2022-11-22T11:45:34Z")
Excellent choice ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/175 "2022-11-22T14:50:56Z")
Ramona, I am suddenly struck by the lyrics of System of a Down: > “They’re trying to build a prison > For you and me to live in > Another prison system > For you and me” And the quote from Obi Wan about the destruction of Alderaan. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/176 "2022-11-22T14:53:05Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > And the quote from Obi Wan about the destruction of Alderaan. The one where he said: “Good riddance! Nothing of value was lost”? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/177 "2022-11-22T14:54:48Z")
Yeah, cant add much more… > [@Xeux](#): > > The one where he said: “Good riddance! Nothing of value was lost”? Noob Planet Quits Film Series After Gank ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/178 "2022-11-22T15:02:40Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > They want to make the gankers miserable, the way they themselves are miserable. And there you have it all summed up in one sentence. We don’t need any more gank threads or posts. We finally distilled the most relevant facts into one sentence for CCP. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/179 "2022-11-22T16:08:52Z")
The whole, “us versus them” has really worked. I see it all the time in sports and politics, glad to see that it applies here as well. The Roman leaders of days gone by would be proud. 🖤 Meanwhile, back at CCP: * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/9/c/09c9297336d4c7d1ce923acc1c20f099a9b8c926.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/180 "2022-11-22T16:20:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I want to play a game where I can be attacked no matter what I do or where I do it. And yet strangely, you confine your activities to high sec. Are you sure you don’t mean “a game where you can attack people who are guaranteed easy kills, while remaining quite safe yourself”? Because that’s what the evidence points to. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/181 "2022-11-22T17:31:03Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Are you sure you don’t mean “a game where you can attack people who are guaranteed easy kills, while remaining quite safe yourself”? If they are “easy” it is only due to people’s misconception of the game and of high security. If people took basic precautions, it’d be much different. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/182 "2022-11-22T17:31:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/183 "2022-11-22T18:17:55Z")
Lowsec: empty Nullsec: empty Wormholes: empty Highsec: packed to the gills with players This may be why so many player-killers congregate in highsec. I admit, it is possible to go to nullsec and find YUGE blobs to fight, so nullsec isn’t truly “empty.” Tutucox will also point out that it is possible to find fights in lowsec, but only in some very specific systems, with a very specific engagement style. Even so, I think the main reason these players are in highsec is because that is where all the players are. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/184 "2022-11-22T18:24:00Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Are you sure you don’t mean “a game where you can attack people who are guaranteed easy kills, while remaining quite safe yourself”? Its a game where everyone has equal opportunity to be this or that. People _choose_ to be predator or prey by their choice of play style. Given that every Omega has 3 characters, there’s absolutely nothing stopping a person being prey in one character and predator in another. There is nothing even remotely ‘unfair’ about any of this. Unlike real life its a completely level playing field of opportunity. You pay your money and you take your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/185 "2022-11-22T18:32:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The reality is that what they want is easy targets because anyone that _wants_ to PvP and is _prepared_ to PvP would decimate most gankers. The only way they can get kills is by taking on a player that has absolutely no interest in fighting back. You keep spreading your mythical version of ganking that bears no resemblance to reality. Highsec ganking is simply lowsec PvP with Concord thrown in. Why is it ‘PvP’ in a 0.4 system yet suddenly ‘ganking’ and ‘griefing’ in a 0.5 system just because the security went up one notch and Concord arrive rather than the faction police ? You keep inventing some major distinction that _simply isn’t there_. PvP is PvP…whether done in null, lowsec, or highsec. As for people not being able to fight back…most of the decimating is done in lowsec, precisely against people who are targetted because they will be defeated ! ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/186 "2022-11-22T18:34:51Z")
Agreed… Francis? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/187 "2022-11-22T18:35:47Z")
Grats, you fell for it. I don’t see the point in responding to this 20-year-old “real PvP” bait from people who have never even been in null-sec _once_ before. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377/189 "2022-11-22T18:48:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ganking is the name adopted by the EVE community. Griefing is where the desired outcomes is to upset the player, not for any gain. It _is_ simply a name. It does not reflect any fundamental difference. The ONLY difference between a 0.4 system and a 0.5 system is that Concord show up in the latter. So how does activity get to be ‘proper PvP’ in the 0.4 system yet ‘griefing’ in the 0.5 ? And never mind that 10 times as many ‘defenceless’ Ventures get blapped in lowsec ! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here Oh, you know full well the point I am making…that there is fundamentally zero PvP difference between lowsec and highsec if you’re going to rile about poor defenceless people. Why do you ONLY rile about supposed poor defenceless Ventures in highsec yet 10 times as many Ventures with no greater defence ability get zapped in lowsec every day and you are silent on the matter. Why is that ? A miner in a 0.9 system can expect Concord to arrive within 6 seconds. They need only tank to survive that time. A miner in 0.4 has zero Concord protection and pirates can take their time blapping them. Yet somehow in your twisted world the Concord protected miner in 0.9 is the poor poor defenceless victim while you are totally silent on the 10 times larger number of such miners killed in 0.4 ! What a ridiculously ass backwards view of Eve you have ! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-when-does-the-new-mechanic-for-ganking-and-standings-drops-take-effect/385377.md?page=9)