# So Where is the Game Mechanic That Allows us to Flip a key Null System to Hi-sec? :psyccp: **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 21, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847 "2020-08-21T15:57:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/62 "2020-09-04T23:30:48Z")
Not all hiseccers are lazy cowards that are afraid to undock. I try my best to avoid the Invasion systems after coming to terms that I had lost more value in ISK than Code. had ever taken from me. (even counting the deposit I had made into her Majesty’s private bank) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/63 "2020-09-04T23:37:18Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Kind of hilarious to see the small-dog-syndrome crowd come in barking about how hi-seccers are all useless lazy cowards afraid to undock, when if I recall the origins of everyone in the game correctly, every single player starts in high sec. First of all, not by choice. Second, that’s kind of like saying that you can’t make fun of idiots because you also started out life as a baby that didn’t know anything. _Everyone_ gets a free pass for being dumb when they’re young/new. But passing the point of maturity and still acting like a child qualifies as grounds for ridicule. So yeah, if you’re still AFK-mining in a 0.9 and complaining about ganks and wars after playing the game for five years, you _are_ a useless, lazy coward. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/64 "2020-09-04T23:48:11Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > _Everyone_ gets a free pass for being dumb when they’re young/new. But passing the point of maturity and still acting like a child qualifies as grounds for ridicule. Like all the people that post all tough guy about high sec citizens in the forum but are so scared of them that they never log in to the game. You seem to now understand why you and some others suffer my ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/65 "2020-09-04T23:50:14Z")
You’re making a lot of assumptions with regard to other people’s playing habits. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/66 "2020-09-05T00:02:59Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/6/36a9898fafebf53bd1f66aec60646510b6731d09.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/67 "2020-09-05T00:10:28Z")
You do really have to wonder how self-aware some of these people are, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/68 "2020-09-05T05:09:20Z")
Flipping nullsec to a highsec status would only protect gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/69 "2020-09-05T05:53:29Z")
Shh, there’s still a chance CCP might implement something like that into the game. Carebears like Rooty Toody McBroody up there don’t realize that pretty much everything they ask for that’s not a straight-up removal of PvP mechanics ends up being a boost for the “griefers.” Like when they cried crocodile tears about barge EHP, CCP caved in, they stopped fitting tanks on them because they no longer needed to in order to tank the belt rats, and then wondered what went wrong. Carebears are dumb, and bad at the game. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashitaka_taharqa/32/287191_2.png) [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashitaka_Taharqa)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/70 "2020-09-05T10:28:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Shh, there’s still a chance CCP might implement something like that into the game. > > Carebears like Rooty Toody McBroody up there don’t realize that pretty much everything they ask for that’s not a straight-up removal of PvP mechanics ends up being a boost for the “griefers.” Like when they cried crocodile tears about barge EHP, CCP caved in, they stopped fitting tanks on them because they no longer needed to in order to tank the belt rats, and then wondered what went wrong. > > Carebears are dumb, and bad at the game. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be carebears. Where does all this vitriol come from? Why do you care so much about how dumb or cowardly carebears are? You’re in null/low living the dream, right? Why does it bother you so much that there are people who don’t like EVE for the same reason you like it? ---
**Author:** ![Damar\_Rocarion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/damar_rocarion/32/372150_2.png) [@Damar\_Rocarion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Damar_Rocarion)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/71 "2020-09-05T11:06:35Z")
Check his killboard. Only thing he knows how to do is shoot autopiloting haulers or miners on high-sec belt and everything which appears a threat to this lifestyle, must be shouted and ridiculed at all cost. Think of him as Aleksandr Dugin, but for low-skilled high-sec gankers instead of batshit crazy Russian nationalism 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/72 "2020-09-05T11:08:52Z")
> [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Shh, there’s still a chance CCP might implement something like that into the game. > > > > Carebears like Rooty Toody McBroody up there don’t realize that pretty much everything they ask for that’s not a straight-up removal of PvP mechanics ends up being a boost for the “griefers.” Like when they cried crocodile tears about barge EHP, CCP caved in, they stopped fitting tanks on them because they no longer needed to in order to tank the belt rats, and then wondered what went wrong. > > > > Carebears are dumb, and bad at the game. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be carebears. > > Where does all this vitriol come from? Why do you care so much about how dumb or cowardly carebears are? You’re in null/low living the dream, right? Why does it bother you so much that there are people who don’t like EVE for the same reason you like it? Bother me? See, that’s where you’re jumping to a hasty conclusion. Just because I think a certain way about something, doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m bothered by it. I can take a barnyard stroll, and upon passing a hog rolling in the mud, decide to make a comment of “that’s one disgustingly dirty pig.” But that doesn’t mean that the pig bothers me, or that I dislike it. In fact, I am very amicable toward the pig’s presence, because it gives me bacon. It’s only when the pig decides to defecate on my shoe, or tries to get the local governing board to pass legislation that would take away my right to be able to partake in its delicious belly, that I would take offense to its existence. ---
**Author:** ![Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashitaka_taharqa/32/287191_2.png) [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashitaka_Taharqa)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/73 "2020-09-05T11:46:12Z")
If you comments were directed at the OP maybe you could be taken serious, but you’re making blanket comments that go well beyond the scope of one perceived whiny player. You’ve got clear issues to work through when it comes to these carebear people. I expected the ole, _“I’m just stating my opinionated observations is all. I got nothing against the people I constantly berate and insult. Honest.”_ Nice try though. But you just can’t keep that vitriol under wraps even if you tried. It’s like heat rising from the pavement in 100 degree weather. So you’re angry when players who do not consent to PvP have the gall to want to enjoy the game - in hisec, mind you - as they see fit? But on the other hand, you’d like to force your particular playstyle on them? So, yeah, you’re basically infuriated that some people enjoy EVE for reasons that differ from your own. And they don’t want to play with you the way you want to play with them. This sentiment is not uncommon. No need to piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining. I guess the dream is not as alive as I thought in null/low if you need hisec carebear participation to enjoy EVE. Sad times. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/74 "2020-09-05T11:53:40Z")
> [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](#): > > So you’re angry when players who do not consent to PvP have the gall to want to enjoy the game - in hisec, mind you - as they see fit? But on the other hand, you’d like to force your particular playstyle on them? So, yeah, you’re basically infuriated that some people enjoy EVE for reasons that differ from your own. And they don’t want to play with you the way you want to play with them. This sentiment is not uncommon. No need to piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining. You keep singing this old tune, but you’ve never stopped long enough to logically think through what you’re saying. - Other players wanting to enjoy the game as they see fit doesn’t affect me - Forcing my play style on them would be to my detriment - This game allows players to act as predator or prey, and if certain players wouldn’t act as prey, then the predators would have nothing to hunt - You can decline to consent to PvP all you want; the game doesn’t care, and won’t let you opt out of it Why would it infuriate me that some people choose to play the game unlike the way I choose to play it? Their existence is the only thing that gives my gameplay any meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Tong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/billy_tong/32/225542_2.png) [@Billy\_Tong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Billy_Tong)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/75 "2020-09-05T12:08:33Z")
So what are they doing playing a PvP based game? ---
**Author:** ![Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashitaka_taharqa/32/287191_2.png) [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashitaka_Taharqa)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/76 "2020-09-05T12:20:48Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](#): > > > > So you’re angry when players who do not consent to PvP have the gall to want to enjoy the game - in hisec, mind you - as they see fit? But on the other hand, you’d like to force your particular playstyle on them? So, yeah, you’re basically infuriated that some people enjoy EVE for reasons that differ from your own. And they don’t want to play with you the way you want to play with them. This sentiment is not uncommon. No need to piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining. > > You keep singing this old tune, but you’ve never stopped long enough to logically think through what you’re saying. > > - Other players wanting to enjoy the game as they see fit doesn’t affect me > - Forcing my play style on them would be to my detriment > - This game allows players to act as predator or prey, and if certain players wouldn’t act as prey, then the predators would have nothing to hunt > - You can decline to consent to PvP all you want; the game doesn’t care, and won’t let you opt out of it > > Why would it infuriate me that some people choose to play the game unlike the way I choose to play it? Their existence is the only thing that gives my gameplay any meaning. You tell me. You’re the one insulting and debasing the people you claim, _“gives my gameplay any meaning”._ You can decline to experience a terrible event in your life all you want; the world doesn’t care and won’t ask your permission before inflicting terrible things upon you. What does that concept have to do with your clear and obvious venom towards carebears, who again, gives your gameplay any meaning? Because apparently nullbears and lowcats ain’t getting the job done. I’d assume you’d love it if all space was hisec seeing as, if what you say is correct, you’re a HiSeccer yourself. If the game does not allow your fellow HiSeccers to opt out, how can they ever threaten your access to bacon, as you put it. It’s not like CCP would ever in a thousand years ban all PvP interactions. You’re stepping on your own toes here. You clearly resent people who don’t like the game for the reasons you do. Who do you think you’re fooling? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_adoulin/32/228124_2.png) [@Mike\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/77 "2020-09-05T14:44:40Z")
I support and endorse this idea. Really. **Shut up.** _I’m totally serious._ 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/78 "2020-09-05T15:47:51Z")
Oh here we go, someone to tell us all how we feel and what we mean. Like there’s not enough of those already. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/79 "2020-09-05T20:36:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Oh here we go, someone to tell us all how we feel and what we mean. You should be impressed. It took some of the people in this thread years to get to that point. This guy’s a natural. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/80 "2020-09-05T21:36:17Z")
> [@Ashitaka\_Taharqa](#): > > You tell me. You’re the one insulting and debasing the people you claim, _“gives my gameplay any meaning”._ > > You can decline to experience a terrible event in your life all you want; the world doesn’t care and won’t ask your permission before inflicting terrible things upon you. What does that concept have to do with your clear and obvious venom towards carebears, who again, gives your gameplay any meaning? Because apparently nullbears and lowcats ain’t getting the job done. I’d assume you’d love it if all space was hisec seeing as, if what you say is correct, you’re a HiSeccer yourself. If the game does not allow your fellow HiSeccers to opt out, how can they ever threaten your access to bacon, as you put it. It’s not like CCP would ever in a thousand years ban all PvP interactions. You’re stepping on your own toes here. You clearly resent people who don’t like the game for the reasons you do. Who do you think you’re fooling? And you’re missing the point once again. Just because I’m fine with the existence of carebears, and in fact _prefer_ that they exist because they create content for me, doesn’t mean that I’m excluded from making fun of their _objectively_ inefficient, unsatisfying play style. It’s not “venom,” and I don’t “resent” them. All I’m doing is pointing out how dirty the pig is. In a _perfect_ world, there wouldn’t be any carebears. All players would accept EVE’s element of risk, even if some were nonviolent. To that end, whenever I see someone wanting to learn and break the cycle, I go out of my way to help them, even if they’re _not_ interested in PvP combat. But the ones who refuse to evolve and adapt, and just choose to engage in the most bottom-feeding play styles while whining and complaining if anyone so much as looks in their direction, _those_ players exist solely to be harvested by others, and making fun of their obstinacy and ignorance is part of the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847/81 "2020-09-06T19:18:29Z")
Currently I see that there are invasions inside 4 low sec systems that are between Jita and KBP7-G One of them is 0.4 Palmon but would that ever flip to become 0.5? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-where-is-the-game-mechanic-that-allows-us-to-flip-a-key-null-system-to-hi-sec/261847.md?page=5)