# So who's still actually doing anything in Eve ? And what is it your actually doing and why? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 25, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069 "2021-12-25T01:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/21 "2021-12-25T13:39:44Z")
I mostly still play for the awesome PvP content that I seem to be able to find each and every day. Then I look at forums like this or r/eve and scratch my head at all the doom and gloom from forum-bears like yourself. ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/22 "2021-12-25T13:44:49Z")
Making billions of ISK building weapons near Jita. Business is good still having fun. Sometimes i am doing some NPSI. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/23 "2021-12-25T13:49:17Z")
How do they mitigate anything? Holding corps are still the go to. That also wasnt the fallacious reasoning used by CCP to justify the awful things. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/24 "2021-12-25T13:53:28Z")
I have limited playtime these days so I’m gonna be running around HiSec shooting all those structures being held by 1 man corps. You know, so I can steal the cores and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/25 "2021-12-25T13:55:00Z")
Which is great if you do steal the cores (teaches them for buying into the stupid things), but I regularly still get 2-3 decs a quarter by one man deccers who dont get that a coreless station is just a waste of ammo to shoot. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/26 "2021-12-25T13:58:20Z")
TBH I don’t even know what the core does, I just know I can sell them. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/27 "2021-12-25T14:00:54Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How do they mitigate anything? > > Holding corps are still the go to. > > That also wasnt the fallacious reasoning used by CCP to justify the awful things. Because before cores, there was literally no reason to wardec a holding corporation since you’d get nothing out of it; no ships to hunt, and nothing to get from destroying the station (which wouldn’t be defended because the loss is very minor). Now they either have to defend it (and are compelled to do so because of the additional sunk cost), which means fewer holding corporations, or you can actually make money from destroying the station. Just look at your next reply: > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Which is great if you do steal the cores (teaches them for buying into the stupid things), but I regularly still get 2-3 decs a quarter by one man deccers who dont get that a coreless station is just a waste of ammo to shoot. You’re not a target precisely because **your station doesn’t have a core.** What do you think would happen if your station _did_ have a core, and there isn’t much of a combat history for you/your members to deter potential aggressors? You’re right that holding corporations still exist. But now they’re a considerably smaller issue than before. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/28 "2021-12-25T14:04:00Z")
But… I get routinely targetted? But only by the toothless. I got it a lot more by those who wanted to follow through before cores existed. Ofc back then I never owned less than 3 Structures. So, while I still dont really see it from you persepective, it did do what CCP claimed, and reduced “structure spam”, because CCP didnt approve of me using 3+ structures for my own use. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/29 "2021-12-25T14:07:21Z")
It was never about structure spam; that’s just what CCP _said._ The real reason for the change was to compensate for the lack of ■■■■ blowing up in the game after CCP tied wars to structure requirements and war activity dropped to less than a tenth of what it was before that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/30 "2021-12-25T14:09:12Z")
So reduce potential targets by a factor of (in my case) 66% increases destruction? Are there figures to support this? Are more structures regularly destroyed now that there is less of them? And lets not forget that they rot away naturally now, meaning abandoned structures are more unlikely to be destroyed by player activity. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/31 "2021-12-25T14:13:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re not a target precisely because **your station doesn’t have a core.** Can you explain please ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/32 "2021-12-25T14:14:54Z")
I didn’t say that their plan was wholly successful (or even totally rational). The gain in destruction was a temporary period, and now we’re at a new baseline of less structures overall. However, at least now players don’t get the dual benefit of owning a structure _and_ was evasion so easily. So while the destruction effect is negligible, at least there’s more equity now. > [@Xuixien](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > You’re not a target precisely because **your station doesn’t have a core.** > > Can you explain please Ramona’s station doesn’t have a core, as such the attackers wouldn’t get anything by destroying the station (aside from some fuel/ammo, but attackers assume that those drops will be minimal). If the station did have a core, the attackers would get 600-800 million just by destroying a low-tier station. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/33 "2021-12-25T14:16:22Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I didn’t say that their plan was wholly successful (or even totally rational). This is the basis of my reaction against cores. Its ass, and they either lied about why, or it didnt achieve the actual goal. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > However, at least now players don’t get the dual benefit of owning a structure _and_ was evasion so easily. I dont see how, isk cost is not a factor that limits very much, as any Imperium person will tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/34 "2021-12-25T14:20:10Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > This is the basis of my reaction against cores. Its ass, and they either lied abput why, or it didnt achieve the actual goal. It achieved one of the two goals. Of course the best thing to do would be to _not_ tie wars to structures, keeping them as they were until 2016. Then cores wouldn’t be necessary, and structure spam could be addressed through the decay mechanic alone. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont see how, isk cost is not a factor that limits very much, as any Imperium person will tell you. Maybe for you. But I’ve personally observed over the handful of wars I’ve conducted since early last year (and as an observer while sitting inside high-sec corporations) that the costs are considered to be at least _moderate_ if not considerable by the average player. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/35 "2021-12-25T14:21:07Z")
No, they are for me, its why I cant afford to use them. But they arent for real players. They also make it impossible for me to even consider taking down a structure. So really, Im just waiting for soneone to take my last one out, then I can properly consider quitting. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/36 "2021-12-25T14:28:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No, they are for me, its why I cant afford to use them. > > But they arent for real players. “Real” players (i.e. the null-sec minority) don’t keep a whole lot of structures in high-sec. Most structures in high-sec are owned by average high-sec bear corporations. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > They also make it impossible for me to even consider taking down a structure. So really, Im just waiting for soneone to take my last one out, then I can properly consider quitting. You’re predicating your gameplay on the ownership of structures? If you can’t defend them, then don’t own them, and use someone else’s. Alternatively, you can learn how to defend your structures. You can also bring in friends for defense, or hire other players to help you. Even having just four or five combat characters on the field, along with manned station defenses, is usually enough to deter most attacks, which almost always cap out at a force of around ten or so (but usually much fewer) because it’s not worthwhile to split core profits between many players. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/37 "2021-12-25T14:31:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Most structures in high-sec are owned by average high-sec bear corporations. Id regard SICO as real players. They certainly have enough stations. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re predicating your gameplay on the ownership of structures? I had a great career as a Structure Estate Agent, yes. Then cores came. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you can’t defend them Who said I couldnt? Im talking about cores. I had no trouble defending my multiple structures. Players didnt take those away. CCP did when the cost of setting one up or moving it doubled. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/38 "2021-12-25T14:37:54Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Id regard SICO as real players. They certainly have enough stations. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/a/1ba6b722947aab3703248ef37e5ecba1d0b65bd3.jpeg) > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Who said I couldnt? Im talking about cores. I had no trouble defending my multiple structures. Players didnt take those away. > > CCP did when the cost of setting one up or moving it doubled. Why would the cost of moving a station double? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/39 "2021-12-25T14:41:55Z")
Are you pretending not to know that SICO uses Linknet holding corps? The thing that cores was supposed, according to your previous post, to limit? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Why would the cost of moving a station double? Actually you are right, it wouldnt. Before it was free (no core) now its the cost of a core. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/40 "2021-12-25T14:44:16Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Are you pretending not to know that SICO uses Linknet holding corps? The thing that cores was supposed, according to your previous post, to limit? I don’t know what the story is behind that, but I’m sure that their stations get their fair share of hits? > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Actually you are right, it wouldnt. Before it was free (no core) now its the cost of a core. How so? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069.md?page=3)