# So who's still actually doing anything in Eve ? And what is it your actually doing and why? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 25, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069 "2021-12-25T01:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/128 "2021-12-31T11:19:47Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Now sod off. I think that works in regards to your trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/130 "2021-12-31T11:23:35Z")
They could not reply to my straight forward exposure of key dates to fit in with those pretty graphs, so insults and snide talking is all that they have left. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/131 "2021-12-31T11:23:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I think that works in regards to your trolling Yea, “troll”… anyone you don’t like on the forum or holds different views from you is a “troll” 😄 That’s so much easier than to discuss or debate the topics, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/132 "2021-12-31T11:24:49Z")
> [@Anneloreke](#): > > Gees, another paranoid delusional forum warrior, counting the likes and taking notes 😄 > Notice the words “expose” and “narrative” taken straight out of political jargon, in a science-fiction _game_ forum no less!! 😄 > Soon they’ll be assigning political adjectives to describe us: The Ganking Right, The basket of Deplorable Gankers, The extreme formers 😄 Is what you threw at me when I asked a question about certain key dates and events that occurred. Stop trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/133 "2021-12-31T11:25:05Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > They could not reply to my straight forward exposure of key dates to fit in with those pretty graphs, so insults and snide talking is all that they have left > [@Dracvlad](#): > > your trolling Look in the mirror, dingdong. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/134 "2021-12-31T11:25:53Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Stop trolling _you_ first. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/135 "2021-12-31T11:25:54Z")
In reply to your trolling. You are so triggered mate, you need to calm down, this is only a discussion on a game forum. Chill please… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/136 "2021-12-31T11:26:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > They could not reply to my straight forward exposure of key dates to fit in with those pretty graphs, so insults and snide talking is all that they have left. lol, insults and snide talking is all they have. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/137 "2021-12-31T11:26:53Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Except that your post exposed your own narrative and own thinking and that of the ones that liked your post way better than I ever could. > > You blame CCP however let me point out some key dates , Brave Collective created 20113.05.06 22:20, Pandemic Horde created 2015.04.02 16:29 Karmafleet created 2015.01.15 no time noted on corp creation. > > First mass war dec alliance in hisec created June 2010 The Orphanage no less. December 2011 PIRAT created, November 2014 kills over a thousand per month. for the first time Vendetta created February 2013, November 2015 kills over a thousand per month for the first time. > > What was this? What was happening? > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > That truth is _always_ going to sting. But I’m sure you people will find a way to change the narrative somehow. > > The truth stings indeed, it also stings narratives… It’s obvious that you’re trying to be very clever with something. Unfortunately, I have no idea what it is or where you’re going with any of this. So if you have a point, maybe you should just present it instead of acting like The Riddler. Also, the first “mass war dec alliance” wasn’t created in 2010, but in 2006 (The Privateer Alliance). ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/138 "2021-12-31T11:27:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Blahblah-me better than you-blahblah Yes, I’m not new to the forum, I know how you haters work. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/139 "2021-12-31T11:27:35Z")
The Privateer was too small to matter. You hold yourself out as being so knowledgeable about the game and yet you are unable to formulate what was going on here. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/140 "2021-12-31T11:28:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Also, the first “mass war dec alliance” wasn’t created in 2010, but in 2006 (The Privateer Alliance). He doesn’t even know wtf he’s talking about 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/141 "2021-12-31T11:28:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The Privateer was too small to matter. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/142 "2021-12-31T11:32:26Z")
Apology coming your way, they were pretty effective. Over 1,000 kills December 2008 and went up to 4,761 in May 2010. Before collapsing. Was in the period I was not playing 2007 to 2009 and I did not see them in Caladari space much in late 2009 early 2010. My understanding was that the Orphanage were created from the Privateers. But I could be wrong. But the question still applies, what changes occurred in that period that changed hisec in such a major way, where did the young players start going, I know CCP was pushing people to go in nullsec, but you know, something changed. @Anneloreke blocked as a troll ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/143 "2021-12-31T11:35:46Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/2/9/c2905f6975c482d4b2b16b0fae14d530608d2463.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/144 "2021-12-31T11:35:58Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The Privateer was too small to matter. Then… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Apology coming your way, they were pretty effective. I think it’s pretty clear who’s full of sht in this forum 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/145 "2021-12-31T11:38:35Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > But the question still applies, what changes occurred in that period that changed hisec in such a major way, where did the young players start going, I know CCP was pushing people to go in nullsec, but you know, something changed. If your argument is that new players “went to null-sec,” all you have to do is look at the graphs of the player distribution across areas of space (and older QEN reports) to know that that’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/146 "2021-12-31T11:40:43Z")
That is not the point, what happened is that the majority of the young new players, eager to do PvP went to nullsec, that was the difference. Previously they hung around in hisec to get to the required skill point level to be accepted into nullsec alliances. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/147 "2021-12-31T11:40:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > @Anneloreke blocked as a troll HaHaaaa!! He can’t handle the truth. I hope he really blocked me, not like those dingdongs who block someone but still peek at their replies 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069/148 "2021-12-31T11:41:50Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That is not the point, what happened is that the majority of the young new players, eager to do PvP went to nullsec, that was the difference You don’t know what you’re talking about, go back to playing WoW 🤭 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-whos-still-actually-doing-anything-in-eve-and-what-is-it-your-actually-doing-and-why/343069.md?page=8)