# So Why did CCP remove the option to walk in station? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 10, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019 "2019-02-10T12:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/21 "2019-02-11T14:57:02Z")
> [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](#): > > without any benefit Thats a stretch. Game felt more immersive for some people (probably not the minmaxing crowd spending whole time in asteroid belts in null or on gatecamps). ---
**Author:** ![Lulu\_Lunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lulu_lunette/32/133822_2.png) [@Lulu\_Lunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lulu_Lunette)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/22 "2019-02-11T15:21:50Z")
They took it out because they didn’t wanna bother with fixing the way the new textures and lighting (something that was needed for better and more advanced skins) was affecting how Captain’s Quarters looked. Ultimately they had to get rid of it because they felt like finally admitting CQ was basically vestigial. Their current direction is to be more like the rest of the industry with skins and microtransactions. This is not meant as a slight to CCP, it’s just the way it is gonna be. Hilmar made a hint on Twitter a while back that it’s possibly not entirely a dead project though so here’s hoping. Maybe he’s just teasing us. 😉 You’ll have to read the thread for context. > 💜 💜 💜 💜 💜 💜 💜 ---
**Author:** ![Lulu\_Lunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lulu_lunette/32/133822_2.png) [@Lulu\_Lunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lulu_Lunette)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/23 "2019-02-11T15:52:02Z")
To add to my point and why statistics should be questioned as well, they released the Citadels patch and then used their metrics of how almost nobody uses CQ anymore. I thought that was a very lame argument and didn’t necessarily tell a whole story. The writing was on the wall when Citadels had no CQ. I admit - I was mad, but in the minority when CQ was cheered away. Check out the difference when they rolled out this new ‘engine’ (or whatever you call it I’m not a computer person) when SKINs became a priority: ![55](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/3/73575a5e9e871a2da2ce743d61d165be2e39f1af.jpeg) ![00](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/9/e9624d5d37c9d305b248bdf663b7cf068e95073d.jpeg) Anyway, hopefully it’s something they can visit again with a parent company that seems to have deep pockets. BDO is a thing of screenshot beauty like there are so many character selfies ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/24 "2019-02-11T16:01:10Z")
It was not cost effective to maintain the legacy code for WIS whenever they made patches and updates, so they took it out. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/25 "2019-02-11T16:16:17Z")
As I know him, he teasing. ---
**Author:** ![Claire\_42a](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claire_42a/32/334911_2.png) [@Claire\_42a](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claire_42a)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/26 "2019-02-11T16:49:53Z")
I think Station Quarters were the summon of eve immersion. in my case at least. I just loved it being there while updating market orders and doing stuff irl at the same time. And to be honest. They could rework it and make the agents be there or come there for missioning. pop up dialogue style. that can’t be too hard to script ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/27 "2019-02-11T17:18:47Z")
@Nana_Skalski ok … so tell me what benefit hat the captains quarter? JuuR ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/28 "2019-02-11T17:43:18Z")
Just another example of CCP’s ideas and concepts out running their development ability and resources. Now, if your could combine the resources ,both financial and manpower wise, of a triple A game company with the creative ideas and vision of CCP…Well, THAT would be some game. Whether or not PA fulfills this is yet to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/29 "2019-02-11T17:58:55Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Game felt more immersive But as I already wrote, some people did not appreciate such things at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/30 "2019-02-11T18:32:17Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > > with WOD cancelled it wasn’t needed anymore, lol > > ^ this > > Players had been asking for People activities for ages. Since otherwise, our “characters” are just an excuse for a collection of skills. And our real characters are the ships we fly. Other games let you put on different armor and carry different weapons, we put on different ships with different fits. > > But then CCP started trying to work on a World of Darkness MMO on the side. And they needed a test bed for mechanics like wearing clothes and moving around environments and interacting with furniture. So they gave us CQ to test it out for them. But then the contract flopped, and WoD went away. And since they didn’t need to test anything anymore, they gave up on CQ and went back to focusing on ships instead. > > Luckily, Eve players are still amused by playing dress up with their paper dolls. So CCP occasionally comes out with new clothes they can charge $10 for (who needs micro transactions, when you can do macro transactions!). Only now you can’t really appreciate the outfits, except in your driver’s license photo. This is mostly correct. Really CCP wanted to expand their development portfolio to include a game engine. They wanted to compete with Unreal and the likes, and thus they worked on CARBON. CARBON was meant to power Walking in Stations, Dust, and WoD. However, as time went by it was clear that making a full 3d engine like this was incredibly difficult and the EVE side of the project, the one which would be released first, was scaled back over and over until ultimately it limped out the gate with a single room, the Minmatar Captains Quarters. The issue here is that not only did CCP need it to not fail so spectacularly, but they had bet the house that it would be a huge winner. When it wasn’t and the summer of rage happened, CCP was forced to admit defeat and fire a large percentage of staff to make up for it. This marked the end of development towards CARBON. Eventually they released the other CQs, the ones they had nearly ready, but all development past that was stopped to work on “Flying in Space” features. Dust ultimately released powered by Unreal, and as we all know WoD was backburnered until they could finally scuttle it outright. So yeah, CQ was built on a dream that was never fully realized or developed on, in a time with very different standards for coding. You could either update the CQ to be 64 bit compliant, but that would sink yet more resources into this failed project. Instead, they opted to cut it loose, and allow for the game itself to move on. They could always revisit WiS again, though I suspect that will be based on Nova’s success. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/31 "2019-02-11T18:47:02Z")
> [@Ronnie\_Rose](#): > > It was not cost effective to maintain the legacy code for WIS whenever they made patches and updates, so they took it out. I think people don’t realize CQ had duplicate interfaces for many station functions; it was a lot more than a couch and TV. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/32 "2019-02-11T20:12:26Z")
> [@Ashterothi](#): > > they opted to cut it loose, and allow for the game itself to move on. The game isnt goin anywhere. with their current situation they are able to make very minimal profit. Spaceships online isnt so good of a game after all, especially not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Pace\_eGuerra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pace_eguerra/32/323106_2.png) [@Pace\_eGuerra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pace_eGuerra)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/33 "2019-02-11T22:07:01Z")
> ok … so tell me what benefit hat the captains quarter? You could walk down the ramp and admire the beauty of your wiggling arse. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/34 "2019-02-11T23:02:28Z")
It was stupid?.. lame? Took up unnecessary resources? I wish I could do my taxes through Captains Quarters… said nobody ever. It was pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/35 "2019-02-11T23:57:42Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > It was pointless. It HAS TO BE pointless. Anything it can do is either DUPLICATE Or Forces people who don’t want to WiS to WiS Or It has nothing to do with EVE ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/36 "2019-02-12T03:06:30Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > > > Game felt more immersive > > But as I already wrote, some people did not appreciate such things at all Thats a personal benefit, not a benefit to the game itself, that would be like saying a skin was a benefit to the game because you were the only person who liked the colours, WiS didn’t actually add anything of meaningful value to the game outside of making some people obsessed with dress-up happy, even if they had continued to waste resources adding to it, it would have been ignored by most of the playerbase and still ended up as a technical debt ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/37 "2019-02-12T07:29:43Z")
I was talking about CQ here, the whole ambulation idea was sold initially as something more serious, with multiplayer aspect and exploration part, and that was never delivered, only CQ, so there you have it, I showed what CQ meant, and your efforts to downplay it when it was liked by not also me but a lot more players, is futile, we still have seen it as valuable game asset. When CCP will remove what you like, and what you did not ask to be removed, then you will feel the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/38 "2019-02-12T12:21:43Z")
and that has what benefit for the game? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/39 "2019-02-12T12:35:44Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I was talking about CQ here, the whole ambulation idea was sold initially as something more serious, with multiplayer aspect and exploration part, and that was never delivered, only CQ, so there you have it, I showed what CQ meant, and your efforts to downplay it when it was liked by not also me but a lot more players, is futile, we still have seen it as valuable game asset. When CCP will remove what you like, and what you did not ask to be removed, then you will feel the same thing The difference being, that while CCP “claimed” it would have loads of features, realistically it wouldn’t have panned out like that, CCP could tell they had over promised on a project that could never deliver anything more than a slower version of the EVE UI, i remember the initial claims on what it would be used for, i remember the talks of having virtual spaces for corps to have strategy meetings etc, but the scope of having that many avatars in a single location made it a worthless plan when you could just use some sort of screen sharing to do exactly the same They tried to sell an idea that could never actually be realised, it was basically the same as star citizen is doing now, endlessly promising but not really delivering 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019/40 "2019-02-12T13:21:18Z")
Star Citizen is building stuff and releasing it as you post that what everyone who lived thru Incarna and the WoD, VR fiasco knows. The issue with CCP was always management. It lacks clear vision, it lacks management skills, it lacks what you could say professionalism. When you would put away fanboyism glasses to see what Star Citizen made in regards to programming and future vision, how it fills the blank spaces, yo would have so little of respect towards CCP. But fanboyism cant be fixed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-why-did-ccp-remove-the-option-to-walk-in-station/139019.md?page=3)