# So you just bought CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393 "2018-07-11T02:20:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/55 "2018-07-11T06:40:06Z")
The initial responses started out great… ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/56 "2018-07-11T06:42:32Z")
> [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](#): > > What’s funny to me is one time I made a game from a prexisting game engine. I threw it together with little effort but themed it after popular franchises. This got people to play it and the first thing I did was add microtransactions. I held no value in the game. i threw it together within a few weeks. I had all the backend control to change anyone’s stats within seconds. I was baffled and amused that people were actually working in the game grinding and leveling up. I actually found it disturbing that people were playing something i slapped together. And i found it evil and hilarious when i offered micro transactions. It got shut down tho cause I was charging money with copy written franchises featured in the game. You found it funny to abuse the good faith of innocent gamers? No no, you don’t get to come back from this one, and I’m retaining a full quote of it for posterity in case of edits. ---
**Author:** ![Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuvraught_youtuber/32/83104_2.png) [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuvraught_YouTuber)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/57 "2018-07-11T06:45:01Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > You found it funny to abuse the good faith of innocent gamers? innocent gamblers. and now you know why i dont play eve online. youre a sucker and ccp knows it. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/58 "2018-07-11T06:45:56Z")
You added the loot boxes AFTER you made the game, you don’t get to make that distinction. Not to mention, you made it with someone else’s assets. So you don’t get to have an unhypocritical value judgement of anyone else’s morality. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/59 "2018-07-11T06:48:32Z")
> [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](#): > > and now you know why i dont play eve online. Forum PvP is EVEs endgame content. In that regard, you very much play EVE. Despite being hilariously bad at it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/60 "2018-07-11T06:49:02Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > you don’t get to come back from this one All that kid has done since making that character is lie and (attempt to) troll. Your buttons are too easy to push, Remiel. I know this from experience. Just assume he’s 13 and has a vocabulary that consists of memes and radicalized right wing platitudes and ignore him. Or have fun with him. But don’t believe a thing he writes. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/61 "2018-07-11T06:49:23Z")
I just bought CCP and… - would move development to my city Barcelona, which is like 500% more liveable than Iceland and is that more attractive for foreign talent. Also has a population 6x larger which would make easier to find native talent - would look for and examinate every piece of data gathered before Rubicon and afterward to check my theory that CCP began developing for fans rather than their main source of income, painting EVE into a place akin to a corrosion corner - with the appropiate data & new personnel, I would pump up highsec with a) new agent missions and b) new solo PvE content with exclusive rewards, with aim to c) make highsec its own endgame - in the long run, would look for adding/developing more ways to play EVE Online until making it “the ultimate sci fi simulation”, always based on enjoyable and fun content - then once it was fun and ejoyable would rename it into something else since it would no longer be EVE Online, but, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuvraught_youtuber/32/83104_2.png) [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuvraught_YouTuber)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/62 "2018-07-11T06:50:51Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > All that kid has done since making that character is lie and (attempt to) troll. TBH this. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/63 "2018-07-11T06:51:42Z")
Except for “remove local”, I agree with most of the points. Local is not an issue, it’s a solution to issues. With regards to cutting down on renters: Good luck with that. To make this happen, you would have to delete large portions of contemporary players’ mindsets and you would have to delete Super Capitals and Titans from EVE. With regards to the actual topic: Turn a lot of sov null sec into NPC null sec. The most fun I have had in EVE was when I lived in active NPC null sec with lots of groups of varying sizes around me with whom I could interact regularly without fearing that I would either lose my income source nor my home. Sov null sec is mostly barren and boring in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/64 "2018-07-11T06:51:56Z")
It’s trivially easy to derail threads. Some posters just come here for it. 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuvraught_youtuber/32/83104_2.png) [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuvraught_YouTuber)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/65 "2018-07-11T06:55:12Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > with the appropiate data, I would pump up highsec with a) new agent missions and b) new solo PvE content with exclusive rewards, with aim to c) make highsec its own endgame I’ve always wondered if people knew that the only difference from beginning to endgame in mmorpgs is the character stats and items used. essentially as soon as you start playing eve if you dont enjoy it then you wont enjoy it later when you have better gear and a higher stat character. so essentially you can warp to some asteroids and mine or pve a low level ship and get the eve experience and if you dont enjoy that you never will later on. the endgame can be as soon as you spawn as a low level. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/66 "2018-07-11T06:55:47Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Except for “remove local”, I agree with most of the points. Local is not an issue, it’s a solution to issues. It’s a way too powerful, zero-effort intel tool that facilitates botting immensely and gives all the trash players false expectations. Local in its current form is very much an issue. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/67 "2018-07-11T06:56:35Z")
> [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](#): > > so essentially you can warp to some asteroids or pve a low level ship and get the eve experience and if you dont enjoy that you never will later on. Translated: “I don’t understand EVE Online.” ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/68 "2018-07-11T06:57:28Z")
Yet, all suggestions to change local would make it worse so I don’t see any reason to change it. Let’s see who buys CCP first so that we can implement our ideals. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuvraught_youtuber/32/83104_2.png) [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuvraught_YouTuber)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/69 "2018-07-11T06:57:41Z")
> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#): > > Translated: “I don’t understand EVE Online.” you can also chat to some locals and pretend youre fighting in a alliance as you shoot the pve ship. same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/70 "2018-07-11T06:58:34Z")
The EVE experience is PVP. No, it’s not the same thing. There is nothing like the thrill of actual PVP in this game. Not if you’re doing it properly. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/71 "2018-07-11T06:59:21Z")
> [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](#): > > where you find rare items instead of buying it all in the stations you find the rarest stuff out pveing or pvping You realize that this is how EVE works already, right? None of the rare and good items come from NPC sell orders. They were all found by doing PVE and PVP in space. ---
**Author:** ![Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuvraught_youtuber/32/83104_2.png) [@Nuvraught\_YouTuber](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuvraught_YouTuber)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/72 "2018-07-11T07:00:42Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > The EVE experience is PVP. No, it’s not the same thing. There is nothing like the thrill of actual PVP in this game. Not if you’re doing it properly. the pvp in this game isnt balanced. someone has a better ship. you only like it cause you like gambling and got lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/73 "2018-07-11T07:02:02Z")
No, the PVP is balanced. To a point. For the rest of the balance that the game doesn’t provide, it expects you to fill it in. Someone has a bigger ship? Get a bigger one yourself. Someone has more ships? Make some friends. You’re still thinking about EVE in terms of other MMOs. Stop. EVE is unique. It’s not like other MMOs and it’s not meant to be. PVP ‘balance’ is working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393/74 "2018-07-11T07:11:52Z")
Players who don’t look for the thrill are more loyal, have more money and play longer. EVE won’t never be competing to actual PvP games like battle royales or MOBAs. What makes EVE PvP special is how little of it happens and how far apart are actual fights. Most of EVE are not PvP fights, but PvE and waiting for stuff to happen. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-you-just-bought-ccp/88393.md?page=4)