# \[SoERR\] Assistance in the current Empire crisis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273 "2018-12-11T19:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/41 "2018-12-17T04:22:42Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > Which one should we trust? Both, naturally. Only a very simple mind - _much_ simpler than yours, if I may say so, Lok’ri - thinks humanitarian aid for victims of war and wishes for a rebellion to succeed and fighting to spread are mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/42 "2018-12-17T04:45:15Z")
Of course, but the decision to do the latter actively disqualifies you from ever being trusted to provide “purely” humanitarian aid. You have made your intent quite clear, and you have been warned that all of your actions are considered hostile. Smuggled weaponry has seen use against our troops on the ground, how much of it came through your facilities? In simple terms, _nothing_ you do in Amarr space can be considered non-Military at this point. If you actually wanted to help in a purely humanitarian capacity, you would stay on your side of the border and work through neutral parties that are actually welcome in our space. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/43 "2018-12-17T04:53:57Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > If you actually wanted to help in a purely humanitarian capacity, you would stay on your side of the border and work through neutral parties that are actually welcome in our space. Unfortunately, neutral parties that can be trusted to guarantee that free people walk free, in space were local conventional law denies them that freedom, are scarce. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/44 "2018-12-17T05:16:07Z")
And, more importantly, you definitely have no desire to operate in a purely humanitarian capacity and we both know it. ---
**Author:** ![Ascentior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ascentior/32/266358_2.png) [@Ascentior](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ascentior)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/45 "2018-12-17T05:22:27Z")
> Any requests of military assistance or support will be forwarded to Electus Matari alliance command. This stuff HERE is humanitarian, you beasts. Sure, we accept requests for military assistance there, but it’s totally humanitarian requests for military assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Fifinella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifinella/32/278439_2.png) [@Fifinella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifinella)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/46 "2018-12-17T05:28:33Z")
So the mobile depot deployed in Thebeka by Else that was destroyed by a PIE pilot, did it contain a lot of suspicious cargo? Or outright contraband? Or anything pointing to malicious intent? Or had it contained such at any point? Are there cargo scan logs of such? > [@](#): > > This stuff HERE is humanitarian, you beasts. Sure, we accept requests for military assistance there, but it’s totally humanitarian requests for military assistance. Receive is not the same as accept. If you receive a request, do you not forward it to the proper people who will handle it? And handling does not mean accept. It means handle. Else is not the one in Electus Matari to handle requests for military assistance, so she forwards such requests to the people who are. It’s called chain of command. I’m surprised an Amarr is not familiar with chains. ---
**Author:** ![Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shintoko_akahoshi/32/362016_2.png) [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shintoko_Akahoshi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/47 "2018-12-17T05:39:01Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > … > We have also established contact with representatives of fighting forces and are now able to direct those who wish to fight towards more suitable establishments in all three systems we are currently active in. Thank you for all the suggestions here and in private! > > … > > On a more annoying note, members of PIE Inc have caused hindrances to the operation by taking down information beacons on the orbits of the planets we cater to. I suspect a causal link there. Directing “those who wish to fight” towards “more suitable establishments” sounds suspiciously like this is a SoERR freedom fighter recruitment drive and pancake breakfast. Which means that PIE are really just doing counterterrorism work by taking down your beacons. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/48 "2018-12-17T05:50:13Z")
> [@Fifinella](#): > > I’m surprised an Amarr is not familiar with chains. You are my favorite person for the next 7.5 hours. > [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](#): > > I suspect a causal link there. No, that’s correlation. You need to identify the counterfact here in order to make the leap to causation. Unfortunately, your missing fact is that “more suitable establishments” clearly points to non-SoERR elements, particularly other Electus Matari organizations; and as my favorite person has just clarified, there are other individuals in EM who make those decisions. I’m down for pancakes, though. Where can I get those at? ---
**Author:** ![Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shintoko_akahoshi/32/362016_2.png) [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shintoko_Akahoshi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/49 "2018-12-17T05:52:44Z")
Right, but that’s what I mean. I suspect PIE is looking at what SoERR is doing and deciding “Oh, they’re referring refugees to groups of freedom fighters. To stop that, we shall start taking down their beacons.” And I’ll make you pancakes myself if I can be your favorite person after Fifinella. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/50 "2018-12-17T06:01:16Z")
> [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](#): > > Right, but that’s what I mean. I suspect PIE is looking at what SoERR is doing and deciding “Oh, they’re referring refugees to groups of freedom fighters. To stop that, we shall start taking down their beacons.” That same logic jump still applies, though; there’s nothing linking SoERR’s referrals to any war actions. I haven’t even heard much of EM actions regarding the warzone lately. However, I did misunderstand your last response as being supportive of PIE, when in fact you were maybe moreso just explaining their likely thought process. So I was a little too snarky in my reply to you. > [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](#): > > And I’ll make you pancakes myself if I can be your favorite person after Fifinella. Absolutely. You are next in queue for Favorite Person. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/51 "2018-12-17T06:05:49Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Absolutely. You are next in queue for Favorite Person. You just want pancakes. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/52 "2018-12-17T06:09:11Z")
I like pancakes with ice cream, what can I say? ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/53 "2018-12-17T06:52:59Z")
I believe pancakes topped with fried bacon and dripping with maple syrup and sprinkled with powdered sugar the best pancake. ---
**Author:** ![Jaqel\_Aubaris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaqel_aubaris/32/190532_2.png) [@Jaqel\_Aubaris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaqel_Aubaris)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/54 "2018-12-17T06:54:34Z")
At least they are fed before deployment. That makes sure the drop supplies go to refugees. I’m ok with this. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/55 "2018-12-17T06:56:11Z")
Make your own gods-be-damned pancakes, Aubaris. These are mine. ---
**Author:** ![Alizabeth\_Vea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alizabeth_vea/32/122884_2.png) [@Alizabeth\_Vea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alizabeth_Vea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/56 "2018-12-17T07:09:13Z")
Wait, so this whole thing is a front to get pancakes? I’ll have someone deliver some on my behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/57 "2018-12-17T11:07:45Z")
Your message of pancakes has been denied. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/58 "2018-12-17T11:16:31Z")
Have it your way, then, Admiral. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/59 "2018-12-18T18:35:31Z")
I will provide you with a _lifetime supply_ of pancakes if you remove yourself and your assets from Amarr space _permanently_. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/60 "2018-12-18T18:38:49Z")
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