# \[SoERR\] Assistance in the current Empire crisis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273 "2018-12-11T19:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/81 "2018-12-19T01:21:23Z")
See, a “Matari loyalist with no prior history” would be viewed with suspicion by PIE but not considered necessarily a hostile target. A “Matari loyalist with a history of shooting Amarr” is pretty obviously a hostile. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/82 "2018-12-19T01:25:26Z")
I currently work for the state, your allies. Would my corporation’s humanitarian subdivision be considered a hostile actor in this? I’ve also stated many times I fought for the _defense_ of our people and culture for the majority. Am I on that rather large list you have of hostiles? Asking to see the boundaries of your list… ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/83 "2018-12-19T01:28:57Z")
Pretty much every loyalist entity in AmarrBloc has combat history with my people. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/84 "2018-12-19T01:43:05Z")
That is actually a quite good test case. I would have to do a good deal of research into your personal history, to be sure. You were a prominent enough hostile that I have distinct memories of repeated hostile contact, but off the top of my head all of those were in the context of the CONCORD sanctioned warzone. My hunch, without having done the work of reviewing more than the last page of your killboard, is we would consider you personally a probable threat but not take that as an indicator for the rest of your corporation and alliance. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/85 "2018-12-19T01:58:45Z")
I would hope Heiicon, who if I’m not mistaken has had joint ops with PIE would check out well. I also would just like to clarify in my last post: “defense of our people and culture” referred to the Republic itself. I believe this is similar to pie’s doctrine if I’m not mistaken. I wasn’t referring to the “we come for our people” cliche. If they came to us it would be a different situation honestly and we would support, in the Republic sphere of influence that is. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/86 "2018-12-19T02:16:03Z")
Helicon certainly is not a problem. And even if you had been more of an aggressive threat in the past, you _alone_ would not be enough for us to have a serious problem with them. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/87 "2018-12-19T03:34:47Z")
I’m sorry for constantly pressing this line of questioning, but substitute “I” for my corp. I really just want to know the limit where humanitarian efforts are seen as hostile intent. I wish to know exactly how any humanitarian aid efforts taken by my corporation would be seen and whether the attempts of my corporation to, surprisingly maybe, to **not** be seen as aggressors in this delicate situation requiring armed defense for what really shouldn’t require such a thing. I think I can speak for the rest of my corporation when I say we are moved by the plight of these people and wish to offer any form of _non violent_ comfort we can. Do I need to worry about those who wish to choose a non violent path in this situation being casualties? Please don’t take this line of questioning as anything other than it is. Since the inception of us taking our contract with the state, our R.OE. involving the Amarrs’ aligned entities has been a gray area. I simply ask to know if we should assume our presence is considered hostile, as well as declare our non violent intentions. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/88 "2018-12-19T03:47:48Z")
You are describing activities we would consider neutral. Though, I admit a corp you personally are in will almost certainly receive more scrutiny for it’s actions if you were on the field here than one that did not include someone we have actively had to shoot. But, assuming your description here is accurate, your organization is not remotely in the same category as Electus Matari. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/89 "2018-12-19T03:56:53Z")
I would honestly hope not. Thank you, I think I can rest at least a little at ease. ---
**Author:** ![Fifinella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifinella/32/278439_2.png) [@Fifinella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifinella)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/91 "2018-12-19T08:31:55Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > See, a “Matari loyalist with no prior history” would be viewed with suspicion by PIE but not considered necessarily a hostile target. A “Matari loyalist with a history of shooting Amarr” is pretty obviously a hostile. Who made you the authority on this? Amarr Empire allowed EM pilots to fly in Amarr Empire, and to anchor a base in Amarr Empire. CONCORD allowed EM pilots to fly in Amarr Empire and to anchor a base in Amarr Empire. But Lord Doodah the Snooty III of Zippedidoo has issues with EM anchoring their base in Amarr Empire, so obviously we must all bow to his authority. Because he’s, like, REALLY IMPORTANT! PIE might be Empire loyalists, but they’re not the ones actually running the Empire. If you don’t like the way the Amarr Empire is being run, maybe you should, I don’t know, start a revolt or something. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/92 "2018-12-19T09:52:51Z")
PIE gave me that authority when they made me an Admiral thirteen years ago. As should be obvious, I speak for PIE and not for Amarr or CONCORD. Given that PIE has operated in a similar manner to what I describe here for that entire time, it seems rather unlikely that Amarr had a problem with it. It is also especially unlikely that the Empress would have honored PIE by creating the Excubitoris Chapter of the Sacred Throne Order if she disapproved of how we operated towards people and groups who run anti-Amarr operations. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/93 "2018-12-19T10:48:58Z")
Well, pack it in boys. He’s _space important and special_. It would seem we’re done here. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/94 "2018-12-19T13:36:56Z")
Well well well, the MIO swarming the one Electus Matari structure in the system while there’s two owned by Angel loyalists around the very same planet. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/e/0ed199c00b54a1ddf4c398e01564cb8260b84405.jpeg) Priorities priorities, Impies. At the very least have the common courtesy of waiting until the owners are available. Edit: Well, it would seem neither MIO nor the loyalist capsuleers in the system are interested in actually doing anything at the location, so I suppose they get to sit and posture for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/95 "2018-12-19T13:54:09Z")
They seem to be at the North Pole Angel structure and Darkar’s citadel as well. Though, not at Samira’s citadel for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/96 "2018-12-19T13:55:22Z")
Slow deployers it seems. They weren’t at either of the other two locations initially. Almost looks like someone’s very slowly sending them out to a citadel at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/97 "2018-12-19T14:59:40Z")
Ah, there they come. It seems that Samira Kernher rates a battleship deployment. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/98 "2018-12-19T15:19:10Z")
Relatively small one, without logistics support, but indeed. … I dearly hope they don’t think they can do without logistics support. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/99 "2018-12-19T15:25:39Z")
SoERR has no more interest in a conflict with the Ministry of Internal Order than we do with other Amarrian forces on orbit. We have not started aggressive maneuvers in system so far and it would be appreciated if MIO refrained from provoking them. Any Roughriders on the field: hold fire unless necessary for self-defense. Elsebeth Rhiannon CEO, SoE Roughriders Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/100 "2018-12-20T05:59:49Z")
The necessary paperwork has been filed for the Excubitoris Chapter to shoot at more than Electus Matari mobile depots. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273/101 "2018-12-20T06:42:10Z")
Very well then, Admiral. To those interested, in plain language, we have been wardecced by PIE, after clear encouragement and blessing by official Amarr Empire forces. This is a clear provocation and not just from capsuleer forces but also internationally, which I will take it up with the appropriate authorities. To allied parties and our people on ground: this will be an additional complication that will necessitate increased security and third-party haulers. Delays will no doubt ensue. We will do our outmost best to ensure this will not lead to further loss of life. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soerr-assistance-in-the-current-empire-crisis/126273.md?page=6)