# Solo miners, are you making a loss when you factor in electricity usage? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231 "2021-11-11T22:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/61 "2021-11-15T01:37:16Z")
Calm down, miner. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/62 "2021-11-15T01:38:40Z")
IM NOT A MINER IM A TITANBEAR ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/63 "2021-11-15T09:03:34Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > A single-player game exists for the players. A multi-player game doesn’t exist for the players, but neither do players exist for a multi-player game. In a multi-player game, players exist for each other. Because everyone is connected to each other in some way or another in a game like EVE, players have obligations that go beyond seeking out their own pleasure and nothing else. Of course they _can_ only seek out their own pleasure if they _want_ to, but that leads to the problem of the commons as I mentioned before I understand. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/64 "2021-11-15T10:21:57Z")
We’re actually tankier now!! Woot! ---
**Author:** ![Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/koyaan_i_squatchi/32/373301_2.png) [@Koyaan\_i\_Squatchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Koyaan_i_Squatchi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/65 "2021-11-15T11:35:39Z")
> [@Dr\_Offensive](#): > > would be better leaving thier computer turned off \> calculate the money saved in electricity \> buy plex with it. ideas…methods…unsound… obviously insane ---
**Author:** ![Gretek\_Moergyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gretek_moergyn/32/379137_2.png) [@Gretek\_Moergyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gretek_Moergyn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/66 "2021-11-15T11:49:25Z")
So many of the comments in this thread make me laugh. No matter what some twentysomething ganker says, I’m going to continue to spend 99.999% of my Eve time quietly mining in the systems I enjoy being in. Simply because I enjoy it. The profit I make is enough for me, because after all, ISK is not real money. I don’t care what anybody else says is more profitable, or more fun. Fun is what is fun for me, period. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/67 "2021-11-15T13:01:19Z")
Probably needs a Calm Down Miner and eat Dirt comment. However, keep on mining, players need ships to pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Fourteen\_Maken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fourteen_maken/32/427430_2.png) [@Fourteen\_Maken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fourteen_Maken)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/68 "2021-11-19T02:46:01Z")
never pay for anything in this game ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/69 "2021-11-19T03:36:30Z")
So many of the comments in this thread make me laugh. No matter what some ninetysomething miner says, I’m going to continue to spend 99.999% of my Eve time quietly ganking in the systems I enjoy being in. Simply because I enjoy it. The profit I make is enough for me, because after all, ISK is not real money. I don’t care what anybody else says is more profitable, or more fun. Fun is what is fun for me, period. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/70 "2021-11-19T08:58:42Z")
Im glad to hear from a miner who doesnt have a problem with the mining changes. Good for you, Sir! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/71 "2021-11-25T12:08:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Miners are usually boring, which isn’t a surprise since boring people are attracted to boring activities. Yeah…I mean why sit there all day watching a laser and clicking ‘lock’ on asteroids when you could be doing the _exciting_ activity of ‘scan cargo’ on passing ships all day and even get to shoot one for 7 seconds before Concord shows up ! Clearly the latter are the ones with degrees in quantum thermodynamics and the high skills required to blow a Venture apart using 15 Catalysts. No…not boring people at all 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/72 "2021-11-25T12:25:11Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yeah…I mean why sit there all day watching a laser and clicking ‘lock’ on asteroids when you could be doing the _exciting_ activity of ‘scan cargo’ on passing ships all day and even get to shoot one for 7 seconds before Concord shows up ! Clearly the latter are the ones with degrees in quantum thermodynamics and the high skills required to blow a Venture apart using 15 Catalysts. No…not boring people at all Shooting asteroids or NPCs doesn’t get you reactions the way shooting human players does. You know, the same kind of reactions that you’ve been providing here in the forums for the past few hours? That’s where the real payout is. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/73 "2021-11-25T12:39:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Shooting asteroids or NPCs doesn’t get you reactions the way shooting human players does. Oh I don’t know. The other day I saw an asteroid with the face of Jesus on it. You don’t get those sort of miracles gate camping. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/74 "2021-11-25T12:51:36Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I’m going to continue to spend 99.999% of my Eve time quietly ganking in the systems I enjoy being in. Simply because I enjoy it. Great ! Be prepared for Vexy McVexface ( yeah I give my ships silly names ) to show up eventually fror some ‘gank the gankers’. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/75 "2021-11-25T12:51:37Z")
“The griefer cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy; I am come that they might have Tritanium, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd giveth his Veldspar for the sheep.” **- Asteroid Jesus, Ridley YC115:10** “For what shall it profit a miner, if he shall gain the whole cargo hold, but suffer the loss of his own ship?” **- Asteroid Jesus, Githany YC113:34** “Whine to CCP for one more ganking nerf, and it shall be given you; complain about yields, and ye shall find mining buffs; make an alt account, and the forums shall be opened unto you. For every one who whineth on the forums receiveth; and he that complaineth findeth; and to him that maketh an alt account the forums shall be opened.” **- Asteroid Jesus, Balos YC112:7** ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/76 "2021-11-25T19:21:59Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Be prepared for Vexy McVexface ( yeah I give my ships silly names ) to show up eventually fror some ‘gank the gankers’. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/0/3/0034bf3c41eabf6deeb403419ecf5debca4680cb.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/a/fa8d97bd48a202c1a97a55dd104e4a598044dd1b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/77 "2021-11-25T22:53:20Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > “For what shall it profit a miner, if he shall gain the whole cargo hold, but suffer the loss of his own ship?” “Woe to you, scribes and pharisees, gankers ! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.” ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/78 "2021-11-26T10:25:58Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Great ! Be prepared for Vexy McVexface ( yeah I give my ships silly names ) to show up eventually fror some ‘gank the gankers’. I mean depends on your fit. Vexor isn’t the greatest if you’re attempting to kill them tho. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/79 "2021-11-26T10:52:15Z")
Clearly you’ve never heard of the Iteron Of Doom ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/80 "2021-11-26T11:51:25Z")
Though nowadays it is called a Battle Nereus I think. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231.md?page=5)