# Solo miners, are you making a loss when you factor in electricity usage? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231 "2021-11-11T22:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/101 "2021-11-27T04:08:45Z")
Yelling out “our words cut deeper than your knife!” as you’re getting slaughtered like a farmhouse hog sounds very poetic on paper, but at the end of the day, you’re still just someone’s dinner pork chop. 😘 ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/102 "2021-11-27T04:21:57Z")
Lol…you really think that losing an amount of ISK on par with about 3p in real life is even gonna pay for that pork chop ? I’m in other virtual worlds where I pay the equivalent of 3bn ISK a month just for a house to live in. Thus far Eve is peanuts to me…which…is precisely why I can laugh at it all, and some of the overly pretentious people in it. Heck, the half eaten biscuit the dog left outside has been ‘slaughtered’ more. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/103 "2021-11-27T04:25:20Z")
Yeah, but you’re not the only one getting ganked. The forums have been filled with gank victim tears for as long as the game has existed. Also, you sure have put in a lot of words on the topic for someone not at all upset about their loss (don’t get me wrong, I know all of this is a ruse, but _it is what it is_). ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/104 "2021-11-27T04:27:57Z")
Where did I ever say I was upset ? Don’t you recognise someone having a damned good laugh and _mocking_ the situation ( and the pretentious people ) ? I’m far from being the only person who finds the entire dynamic of what is laughably called ‘high security’ utterly bizarre and even bordering on insane. ‘Security’ managed by a police force that effectively PROTECTS blatantly suspicious criminals sitting right under their nose. WE all know the people sitting at that gate are gankers…but apparently the police force in 23341 is SO advanced and AI recognition so well developed that the police don’t. The entire dynamic is on par with the local rl police giving burglars a police escort to your door and standing outside to protect them in case you proactively thump one of them to prevent your car being stolen. Because, of course, the fantastically advanced 23341 police, circling around in their 23341 BMW X8s in this ‘highly secure’ area, would make YOU the criminal for even thinking about doing that. One can only hope the REAL 23341 is not implemented by people who’ve escaped from the same padded cell those who designed this functionality in Eve clearly escaped from. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/105 "2021-11-27T04:32:43Z")
Friend, this is a video game, not real life. The police “protecting criminals” makes about as much sense as asteroid belts replenishing their rocks every 24 hours. If you start bringing RL into this, you’re just going to get the thread locked. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/106 "2021-11-27T04:41:01Z")
Of course its a video game…but even in a video game I’m entitled to laugh at the physics defying antics of Skyrim dragons, wonder why people on a planet on the other side of the galaxy are dressed up as Romans, laugh at an emperor called Martin while everyone else has fancy names, and so on. Violating the 4th wall of virtual worlds often provides some of the funniest moments. By the same token I laugh at ‘high security’ in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/107 "2021-11-27T11:08:50Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Nah…I’ve watched videos of solo gankers in action. For example the guy who only targets corvettes and makes 50 minute videos. Sure he has to desperately click on lock for a few seconds now and then…but, he can go off and make a coffee, answer the phone, get distracted, and he’s fine. > > The miner has to pay attention _every second_, not just for gankers but the size of many asteroids means continually having to re-lock on new ones, and one can also waste a lot of time by not re-cycling as the ore hold is almost full. The miner can’t go off and make a coffee…or he’ll arrive back and find his ship gone. > > As for ‘seeing people in local’…I see gankers in local all the time ( as I have the ganker groups set to bad standing ). I even have people sometimes mining nearby in Catalysts ( yep…some appear to mine using a Catalyst ) so I’m not gonna run off every time I see a Catalyst. You have this crazy notion that I’m supposed to be triggered by the tiniest little thing and run off. If miners did that…there’d never be any mining done ! > > As for clicking things…the miner has to hit d-scan often and determine what may be a threat. You’d be surprised how busy an activity mining actually is. Huh. You gotta be actively trolling now. Surely you can’t believe this right? ROFL. Miners def don’t pay attention every second. You keep using the excuse of going AFK and how miners can’t and supposedly gankers can. Yet that is very false. Going AFK brings risks for all playstyles. Hence why if you go AFK, you should safe or dock. If you don’t, you accept the risks. And mining in a cata? LOL no one mines in a cata. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Because your statement about ‘threat in local’ is nonsense. It’s not like there’s a threat in local once in a blue moon…the threats are there regularly. Where I often mine, there always at least 2 people in local with ‘terrible standing’ _all the time_. Local is little more than a vague guide…not in itself a source of fleeing. If I fled the asteroid belt every time 6 people arrive in local within a few seconds…I’d never get any mining done. NO sensible person flees just because of local. > > Then there’s d-scan. Unless one is clicking it literally every second, someone warping in can easily be missed. I mean, 10 seconds for someone to warp in from local is not long at all. D-scan can often be packed with sisters-of-eve probes ( even if one sets the filter to PvP ), Local can have 50 people…and the two windows have more info than can be displayed. And that on top of npcs attacking one’s mining drones, asteroids running out and having to target a new one, having to check to see how near to full the ore hold is…etc. Local is the best tool. Literally no skill can defend against it. And uh how hard is to press V? Seriously? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > My point about gankers is that THEY can be distracted, make a coffee, miss the odd catch, fumble their keyboard, drop the mouse, get nagged at by their partner about when some Amazon delivery will arrive, **and their ship will still be there**! Uh wut. No it won’t. Ok I get it meow, you are just trolling. Should have seen it earlier, but the repetition finally gave you away. Sigh. Should have caught on sooner. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Go to Aurcel ( a system I often rat in ) and to the asteroid belt nearest to the Egghelende gate and tell me why the asteroids are so huge as nobody ever mines there. Why not…if one can escape gankers so easily ? LOL, you are still on zkills as one of the most valuable losses there. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Incidentally. it is worth adding that I have for some time suspected that d-scan is not up to date anyway. I’ve noticed several times where someone has disappeared from local…only for them still to be appearing in d-scan for some seconds after. That’s lag on your side. Nice anecdotal evidence tho 😃 Just spouting straight lies now huh? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Hang on a minute. Gix assures us that _nowhere_ is safe. And you can’t be paying that much attention to local and d-scan if you’ve got time to write posts here. So you are ignoring your own advice 🙂 No where is 100 percent safe cept in the station. Yet, he is right. He is mining somewhere quiet, which affords him a greater degree of protection. Trust me, EVE ain’t hard unless you make it hard. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > The entire dynamic is on par with the local rl police giving burglars a police escort to your door and standing outside to protect them in case you proactively thump one of them to prevent your car being stolen. Because, of course, the fantastically advanced 23341 police, circling around in their 23341 BMW X8s in this ‘highly secure’ area, would make YOU the criminal for even thinking about doing that. One can only hope the REAL 23341 is not implemented by people who’ve escaped from the same padded cell those who designed this functionality in Eve clearly escaped from. Good thing EVE is a vidya game. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/108 "2021-11-27T11:11:28Z")
No, we’re all moving into the Metaverse of the Matrix with AR headsets. Prepare the EMP. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/109 "2021-11-27T12:42:41Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > And mining in a cata? LOL no one mines in a cata. What part of ’ I even have people sometimes mining nearby in Catalysts ’ wasn’t clear the first time round ? Do you practice being condescending or does it just come naturally ? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/110 "2021-11-27T12:54:05Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Ok I get it meow, you are just trolling Nah…the person who twists and turns, even to the point of contradicting themselves, is actually you. You don’t actually _respond_…you just throw out yet another silly one liner platitude that actually totally ignores what has been said. That is the very definition of trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/111 "2021-11-27T18:44:02Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > What part of ’ I even have people sometimes mining nearby in Catalysts ’ wasn’t clear the first time round ? Do you practice being condescending or does it just come naturally ? No, I just straight up don’t believe you. Why would you mine in a cata when the venture has bonuses. a hold and +2 scram? This ain’t 2007. No one is mining in a geddon. So yes, I am saying you are straight up lying. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Nah…the person who twists and turns, even to the point of contradicting themselves, is actually you. You don’t actually _respond_…you just throw out yet another silly one liner platitude that actually totally ignores what has been said. That is the very definition of trolling. Oh no, I addressed your false claims in earlier threads and posts. You simply repeat the same false info each time. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/112 "2021-11-27T19:18:28Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No, I just straight up don’t believe you I could not care less what you ‘believe’. If I have actually _seen_ someone mining with a Catalyst…and I have…then what Gix Almighty has to say about it is utterly irrelevant. Your **mere opinion** does not trump what I have seen with my own eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/113 "2021-11-27T19:35:31Z")
Lets just add “cant operate DScan properly” to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/114 "2021-11-27T20:49:08Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I could not care less what you ‘believe’. If I have actually _seen_ someone mining with a Catalyst…and I have…then what Gix Almighty has to say about it is utterly irrelevant. Your **mere opinion** does not trump what I have seen with my own eyes. Yet you got no proof either. So all you got is opinion 😃 I choose not to believe your opinion. Considering you’re attempting to use this as justification to stay on grid when a cata comes in. You and Drac love setting up the poor newbros who read this forum. “Mining in a cata, coming to get their daily SP” ROFL. Poor newbro believes this and then just chills in the belt as the cata burns toward them thinking, “Huh. that guy is moving awfully fast! He must want to get to those asteroids quick! Huh. Why does he have a yellow flashy square in my overview now? Huh? Attempting to warp scramble me? Oh geewilkurs my shields are gone? Oh my, I’ve blown up! Oh wow, I’m in the station? I thought they were just coming to mine in a ship that can field 8 guns but has a tiny cargo hold?” If you truly are a newbie, then you’d know nothing about the geddon mining of the past. Now that ships got dedicated ore holds, it would make 0 sense for a newbro to mine in a cata vs a venture. If you’re gonna lie, at least make it believable. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/115 "2021-11-27T23:36:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No, I just straight up don’t believe you. Why would you mine in a cata when the venture has bonuses. a hold and +2 scram? Someone mining in a Catalyst…taken just 20 minutes ago…I cropped it and removed the person’s name for privacy reasons… So…Gix Almighty…am I still a liar ? ![catalyst](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/f/0ff69a6957c925994aee9feca0f910c661a921d2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/116 "2021-11-27T23:43:09Z")
Lol. I can safely say I’m amused ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/117 "2021-11-27T23:43:58Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Yet you got no proof either. So all you got is opinion 😃 I choose not to believe your opinion. Considering you’re attempting to use this as justification to stay on grid when a cata comes in. You and Drac love setting up the poor newbros who read this forum. > > “Mining in a cata, coming to get their daily SP” ROFL. > > Poor newbro believes this and then just chills in the belt as the cata burns toward them thinking, “Huh. that guy is moving awfully fast! He must want to get to those asteroids quick! Huh. Why does he have a yellow flashy square in my overview now? Huh? Attempting to warp scramble me? Oh geewilkurs my shields are gone? Oh my, I’ve blown up! Oh wow, I’m in the station? I thought they were just coming to mine in a ship that can field 8 guns but has a tiny cargo hold?” Ahem…er…someone mining in a Catalyst just 10km from me. ![catalyst](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/f/0ff69a6957c925994aee9feca0f910c661a921d2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/118 "2021-11-28T00:15:09Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Someone mining in a Catalyst…taken just 20 minutes ago…I cropped it and removed the person’s name for privacy reasons… > > So…Gix Almighty…am I still a liar ? 1. That dude is fail fit 2. You played right into my hands 😃 Love it when people don’t even understand opsec… > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Ahem…er…someone mining in a Catalyst just 10km from me. You about to have something else 10km away from you by breaking that opsec and telling on yourself and your homie. You just got him killed ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/119 "2021-11-28T01:33:36Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > ..don’t even understand opsec… maybe…or maybe it’s a tarp… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/120 "2021-11-28T01:40:47Z")
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