# Solo miners, are you making a loss when you factor in electricity usage? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231 "2021-11-11T22:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/121 "2021-11-28T02:23:45Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You about to have something else 10km away from you by breaking that opsec and telling on yourself and your homie. > > You just got him killed ROFL. Oh brother. Opsec…lol. Actually it’s a Chinese lady who’s been mining ( with a Catalyst ) in those areas for months. I’ve even seen her unload her ore in the station nearby. She’s harmless…I’ve had her mining with a Catalyst near me on many occasions in various systems. The _point_ is…it makes nonsense of your’ oh my god…a Catalyst…run for the hills ! ’ And I deliberately blanked out both the name and the asteroid belt, so nobody’d know exactly where to look. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/122 "2021-11-28T02:36:55Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Oh brother. Opsec…lol. Actually it’s a Chinese lady who’s been mining ( with a Catalyst ) in those areas for months. I’ve even seen her unload her ore in the station nearby. She’s harmless…I’ve had her mining with a Catalyst near me on many occasions in various systems. The _point_ is…it makes nonsense of your’ oh my god…a Catalyst…run for the hills ! ’ > > And I deliberately blanked out both the name and the asteroid belt, so nobody’d know exactly where to look. They know the system brother. I’m still suspicious that you just used an alt. I’ve been killing Chinese farmers since WoW days. She would def at least use a venture. Def not a cata. Yes, opsec. Further proof you know nothing of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/123 "2021-11-28T02:48:55Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I’m still suspicious that you just used an alt. Lol. Why does everyone here have to have some mega-conspiracy when the most obvious explanation will do ? The lady is simply oblivious to the fact that a Catalyst is not the best craft to mine with. She’s harmless…but there IS an opsec going on in that region. The head of a newly formed ‘mining corp’ consistently shows up as flashy orange. He tries to provoke by ( even in an otherwise empty asteroid belt ) mining the same asteroid as someone else. See…I am not totally stupid…and that mining corp head is gonna shortly have an encounter with _my_ Catalyst. As for alts…lol…both my 2 alts have nothing more than shuttles and are used solely to spy on systems I a m about to go to. I most definitely am a newbro…though I’ve been in online games ( Team Fortress and Counterstrike I started with ) since 1998. Ironically, as a member of Run Or Die ( ROD ) clan I was probably one of the very original gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/124 "2021-11-28T02:53:58Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Ironically, as a member of Run Or Die ( ROD ) clan I was probably one of the very original gankers. And then you discovered Asteroid Jesus and changed your evil ways? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/125 "2021-11-28T02:55:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And then you discovered Asteroid Jesus and changed your evil ways? No…I think Dirty Harry is the Eve role I’m heading towards. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/126 "2021-11-28T02:55:20Z")
I’m glad that I enjoy EVE, instead of crying about it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/127 "2021-11-28T02:58:18Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > No…I think Dirty Harry is the Eve role I’m heading towards. Romantic, but extremely impractical. You will quickly find that most of the people you want to “protect” wouldn’t actually piss on you if you were on fire, and will end up fighting only for yourself and your close friends. Also, you’re not going to get there by mining. If you want to achieve something like that, you’ll have to drop all notions of carebear PvE (aside from some limited, high-intensity PvE like abyssals for baseline money-making) and switch your focus to learning how to fight other players. This will entail spending a considerable amount of time as a pirate in some form. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/128 "2021-11-28T03:00:48Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You will quickly find that most of the people you want to “protect” I wont be out to ‘protect’ anyone…I’ll just be keeping a scan out for anyone with a red ‘bad standing’ and will deliver ‘make my day…punk’ Catalyst ( or whatever ) style. It will be fun ! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/129 "2021-11-28T03:02:11Z")
Dirty Harry was a cop, he didn’t blast punks so that he could brag to bitches at the club, pardon my French. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/130 "2021-11-28T03:06:42Z")
Dirty Harry’s entire issue was that the cops were not dealing with the baddies and a little ‘proactive’ action was required. Sound like the issue with Concord to you ? It does to me. Dirty Harry is a perfectly legitimate game style…it sure as heck is if ganking is. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/131 "2021-11-28T03:09:47Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Dirty Harry’s entire issue was that the cops were not dealing with the baddies and a little ‘proactive’ action was required. Sound like the issue with Concord to you ? It does to me. CONCORD is a kill trigger. They can’t make it a _proactive_ kill trigger because that would essentially eliminate ganking from the game. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Dirty Harry is a perfectly legitimate game style…it sure as heck is if ganking is. I’m not saying it’s not legitimate, just that it’s _impractical_. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/132 "2021-11-28T03:41:30Z")
CONCORD is not the police. CONCORD is the inflatable bumper in the gutter of the bowling lane, it’s there to keep your ball rolling forward even when you are totally incompetent. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/133 "2021-11-28T03:47:28Z")
My ball is too big to fit in the gutter… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/134 "2021-11-28T04:40:25Z")
Sigh. That isn’t what opsec means. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/135 "2021-11-28T04:50:58Z")
Maybe they don’t care about opsec? As long as you’re maintaining tight hole control, opsec isn’t that important. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/136 "2021-11-28T05:07:00Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > And I deliberately blanked out both the name and the asteroid belt, so nobody’d know exactly where to look. Just fyi - it is very easy to determine which asteroid belt a ship is in (or what planet etc they are at) simply using the D-scan (Directional Scanner) every ship has. Then there are combat scanner probes, which are another story. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/137 "2021-11-28T08:24:33Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Maybe they don’t care about opsec? > > As long as you’re maintaining tight hole control, opsec isn’t that important. Very true. 72 hr hole control at that. > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Just fyi - it is very easy to determine which asteroid belt a ship is in (or what planet etc they are at) simply using the D-scan (Directional Scanner) every ship has. > Then there are combat scanner probes, which are another story. Methinks she doesn’t know this. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/138 "2021-11-28T10:19:52Z")
Maybe that could be the latest strategy of catalyst gankers who are in for it to maintain the order instead of earning ISK. They could just move around in droves in their resource wasting catalysts burning all the roids denying the ore from the miners as a form of scorched-belt strategy. They could even sell asteroid preservation permits. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/139 "2021-11-28T10:24:17Z")
We could’ve had that, but the bears whined and now CCP canceled plans for mining waste. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/140 "2021-11-28T11:11:33Z")
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