# Solo miners, are you making a loss when you factor in electricity usage?

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**Created:** [November 11, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231 "2021-11-11T22:00:31Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solo-miners-are-you-making-a-loss-when-you-factor-in-electricity-usage/336231/59 "2021-11-15T01:19:25Z")

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Since the other thread was closed before I could reply, and it’s at least somewhat on topic here, I want to reply to your question:

> [@I used to look forward to updates. Now i dread them](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-used-to-look-forward-to-updates-now-i-dread-them/336415/99):
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> Would it be fair to conclude, then, according to the parameters you’ve set, that the players exist for the game rather than the game for the players?

A single-player game exists for the players. A multi-player game doesn’t exist for the players, but neither do players exist for a multi-player game. In a multi-player game, players exist for each other. Because everyone is connected to each other in some way or another in a game like EVE, players have obligations that go beyond seeking out their own pleasure and nothing else. Of course they _can_ only seek out their own pleasure if they _want_ to, but that leads to the problem of the commons as I mentioned before.

In the case of mining as per this thread, for example, if all miners only focus on mining as much as possible, then this attitude will lead to a situation in which none of them are able to get meaningful compensation for their work.

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