# Solution to suicide gankers? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** hauling, high-sec\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932 "2022-05-24T02:12:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/261 "2022-05-27T14:12:08Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > wheres the risk for the ganker? Until you complete such a task you will never know yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/262 "2022-05-27T14:12:47Z")
The nice thing about being me, is that I know what is what, and who is who, and I have no obligation to explain anything to you. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/263 "2022-05-27T14:13:55Z")
Ah the typical answer ‘YoU dOnT kNoW uTiL yOu Do It’ No. The ganker KNOWS they will lose their cheap ship, some security status and a kill right. The gankee never knows what’s going to happen when they undock ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/264 "2022-05-27T14:14:18Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > plus all the newbies that tried and didnt stick with the game Just popping out the fact that CCP are on record as saying that players that are ganked early in their EVE career are more likely to continue with the game than those who are not. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/265 "2022-05-27T14:14:50Z")
Yeah i heard that one, good laugh ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/266 "2022-05-27T14:15:36Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > An absence of proof of payments from null sec blocs to ganking alliances. Isn’t that one of Leonard Cohen’s ‘Everybody Knows’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/267 "2022-05-27T14:15:50Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > The gankee never knows what’s going to happen when they undock This is completely false unless the player is novice with undocking with something of value. “the player should understand that their cargo will be scanned and that they will become a potential target. There are many threads where highly experenced players share this knowledge.” I am a novice by choice to take controlled risks. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/268 "2022-05-27T14:17:27Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Yeah i heard that one, good laugh You dont think it could be true? No possibility at all? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/269 "2022-05-27T14:18:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The nice thing about being me, is that I know what is what, and who is who, and I have no obligation to explain anything to you. Yes but _you_ haven’t received training from Yoda in how to wind people up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/270 "2022-05-27T14:18:27Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > You dont think it could be true? No possibility at all? Might be for a certain category of person. But not for the majority. Losing the stuff that you worked for is not a fun experience for almost everyone, unless its planed of course (such as ganking) ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/271 "2022-05-27T14:22:50Z")
Here’s an idea. Make 2 servers, ganking online with all the gankers. And mining online with all the miners/industry folks and real pvp players. Let’s see which is the most popular. Pretty sure i know which one. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/272 "2022-05-27T14:23:17Z")
They already have this. You can log into the test server and mine all day. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/273 "2022-05-27T14:23:36Z")
Sounds fun, please go do that ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/274 "2022-05-27T14:24:33Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Might be for a certain category of person. But not for the majority. Losing the stuff that you worked for is not a fun experience for almost everyone, unless its planed of course (such as ganking) This can’t be a serious thought right? The game is Eve Online! Do you know which game are you applying that comment to? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/275 "2022-05-27T14:25:34Z")
I guess it comes down to how you define a new player. I think their statement is very plausible. I can see how players that just go out and get blown up in a venture or Atron or whatever and would get a feel for the game and be more comfortable with the concept of loss as a result. Whereas a player who has through either by effort or luck existed in game with no PVP for 2 or 3 months may have a different reaction. Such a player will get comfortable in their own skin……get used to the isk facet…… start bringing ships…… and then boom. And when the boom happens so much entitlement has built up and the ship is expensive ……That’s when the tantrum happens. If your first loss is blinged out Raven or whatever then yeah you are gonna be pissed. This isn’t a problem with ganking. This is a problem with CCP not doing a good enough job of exposing the PVP aspects of the game in the NPE or career agents. I think you have legitimate concerns about newbies and retention and the like. But i think you are mischaracterising the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/276 "2022-05-27T14:27:39Z")
Most of the hundred of people i encountered in the game do NOT like ganking. Most of the people i know do play the game for the industry aspects of it, some for the pvp content and some for the pve. The vast majority of the game do NOT like ganking and getting ganked, period. This gameplay is the cancer of the game. I am absolutely convinced that the game would be better off without it. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/277 "2022-05-27T14:28:42Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > That’s when the tantrum happens. you lost me at that phrase, cant anyone be upset without it being ridiculed to a ‘tantrum’? isnt being upset in this situation justified? ---
**Author:** ![Sitting\_Bull\_Lakota](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sitting_bull_lakota/32/438272_2.png) [@Sitting\_Bull\_Lakota](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sitting_Bull_Lakota)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/278 "2022-05-27T14:30:33Z")
It’s not. This is EvE. Suicide ganking is here. Permanent loss is here. It’s a very well known facet of the game. “I got ganked and lost everything, so CHANGE THE GAME” earns no sympathy here. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/279 "2022-05-27T14:30:39Z")
Yes, but the issue is that you are failing to separate your emotional terrorism from your logical argument. If you left out the emotional outbursts you could actually make a strong argument for your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932/280 "2022-05-27T14:30:58Z")
No its not. You undocked that ship in an always on PVP game. When you create a new character and leave station for the first time you even get a pop up explaining that to you. Sure be upset. Sure be annoyed. But what I’m referring to is posting on the forum demanding that game mechanics get changed on the basis that you didn’t take the warnings form the game and/or rookie chat seriously and fell foul of people partaking in legitimate gameplay. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-suicide-gankers/363932.md?page=15)