# Solution to the Empire ganking trend **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565 "2018-04-08T16:54:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/41 "2018-04-09T10:45:39Z")
The only thing Red frog does is that they formalize the service and have a good reputation. The whole hauling part is done via NPC alts and game mechanic wise there is absolutely no difference than if you are hauling as an individual player. There is nothing stopping you from flying smart and managing risk like red frog does! There is nothing in this game mechanics that benefits “the big guy”. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/42 "2018-04-09T11:30:39Z")
you high sec carebears are really selfish, self-centered people who fail at ideas for game policy, fail at thought on other areas of the game universe and probably come short in many other ways too. please stop thinking of new things i don’t want you to have an aneurysm ---
**Author:** ![Razakien\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razakien_okel/32/58510_2.png) [@Razakien\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razakien_Okel)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/43 "2018-04-09T11:35:19Z")
TL;DR: “Build a wall and make the gankers pay for it.” ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/44 "2018-04-09T11:45:29Z")
The solution to the empire ganking trend is for everyone in highsec to buy a mining permit and follow the code. If every capsuleer were to be compliant with the new halaima code of conduct there would be no need to enforce the code. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/45 "2018-04-09T11:49:30Z")
'\>.\> if you follow code then for the most part you shouldn’t be getting ganked even without a permit. cut through all the rp crap and its basically just a how to not die tutorial. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/46 "2018-04-09T13:10:00Z")
It does not hurt to get a permit and praise the Saviour though. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/47 "2018-04-09T13:11:22Z")
just pointing out how amazing it is so many people get pissed off when some one kills them and then essentially points them to a page that says “hey this is how you keep it from happening again” ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/48 "2018-04-09T13:54:35Z")
1- link the lossmail 2- there’s a gazillion threads with ways to avoid ganks, starts there 3- ?? 4- profit ---
**Author:** ![Tengu\_Grib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tengu_grib/32/130944_2.png) [@Tengu\_Grib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tengu_Grib)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/49 "2018-04-09T15:12:59Z")
I think this is one of the best analogies I’ve read. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/50 "2018-04-09T17:18:28Z")
The only trend that ganking has is one of decline. Concord kill everyone involved in a gank, with very few exceptions where other game mechanics kill the ganker within a few seconds of gaining a criminal flag; they currently kill fewer people than they have done at any time in the past ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/51 "2018-04-09T21:11:51Z")
> [@R\_Rage](#): > > Everyone’s issue is its no risk, plenty reward. My risk is getting to Jita or X trade hub. The ganker’s risk is what? loosing perhaps 10-15 cheap ships they can easily replace while still making good return on the crime. so lets do the math. The most recent gank by the kusions was a rhea. 26 people on the killmail. > **[Rhea | Zarac Nor | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/69189757/)** > > Zarac Nor (Caldari Provisions) lost their Rhea in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Katy Rozei (The Conference Elite) flying in a Purifier. Total Value: 11,972,956,972.74 ISK So thats 16 tech 2 catalysts, each around 10 mill isk. 9 tech 2 stealth bombers at around 50 mill. A total of 610 mill used for a gank. he got only 700 in drop, so he made 90 or so million in profit. Thats it. He has to coordinate 25 characters and pay each account. 25 characters. Individually. All for a mere 90 mill in profit. He could make 3 times that in mining for an hour. You ask, wheres the risk for the ganker. I ask, wheres the effort from the freighter pilot? Coordinating 25 accounts simultaneously versus one afk freighter pilot. Risk can be mitigated by effort. The ganker puts a ton of effort, while the freighter pilot puts none. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/52 "2018-04-09T21:43:43Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Thats it. He has to coordinate 25 characters and pay each account. 25 characters. Individually. All for a mere 90 mill in profit. He could make 3 times that in mining for an hour. Plus the looter and the scouts finding targets. The whole operation is larger than just the shooting. The gank starts before and the whole process ends way after. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/53 "2018-04-09T21:55:31Z")
How do you wardec npc corporation? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/54 "2018-04-09T21:56:57Z")
> [@zzlzz\_TheZ](#): > > The ones who take the biggest impact are solo or small group players, who cant afford travel citadels and gazilion cyno alts Welcome to an MMO. Spoiler alert. Solo is hard, being with friends is more safer and lucrative. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/55 "2018-04-09T21:57:08Z")
Tbh so did I, then I got around to changing my pants and that one fell on the floor. I looked down at it, it looked up at me. We shared a beautiful moment. It was like finding $5 in an old coat, but with far more emotional content. ![emotional-content](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/d/2d66852a2958a0f3128fccac6563384248307575.jpg) More next month, when I change my pants again. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal\_War-Richte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cardinal_war-richte/32/15638_2.png) [@Cardinal\_War-Richte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cardinal_War-Richte)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/56 "2018-04-10T06:29:42Z")
So, given that a good pair of boots with the addition of some gardening chaps would protect me from scorpions, what would be the anti ganking equivalent? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/57 "2018-04-10T07:04:02Z")
> [@Cardinal\_War-Richte](#): > > what would be the anti ganking equivalent? Bubblewrap ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/c/6c316ed480460066720a04007cbd1cf5f1c0b03f.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal\_War-Richte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cardinal_war-richte/32/15638_2.png) [@Cardinal\_War-Richte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cardinal_War-Richte)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/58 "2018-04-10T07:10:03Z")
Not good enough. The guy’s hands and face are exposed. You need a shot of a guy in a space suit. i.e. an unbreakable tank. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/59 "2018-04-10T07:21:51Z")
Assless chaps? reminds me of something to do with Trannys… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565/60 "2018-04-10T16:15:40Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > Assless chaps Chaps are assless by design, you’re meant to wear other garments beneath them. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/solution-to-the-empire-ganking-trend/68565.md?page=4)