# Some empathy for President Aguard **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049 "2022-11-11T15:16:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/1 "2022-11-11T15:16:55Z")
Prompted by various discussions in various threads. Imagine yourself in this chair. You have been told that one of your enemies has captured important technology which your military does not have access to. You have just seen another one of your enemies wipe out a planet with technology from the same source. The first enemy controls numerous solar systems that are home to billions of people for whom you are personally responsible. You don’t _think_ your enemy is that crazy but look what happened in Turnur. If you do nothing, you go in the same bracket as President Villers when your people start dying. If you act to protect your people, people will put you in the same bracket as President Duvailer, especially if your plan works. Imagine having to make that call… ---
**Author:** ![Imrik\_Schereau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imrik_schereau/32/343151_2.png) [@Imrik\_Schereau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imrik_Schereau)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/2 "2022-11-11T15:37:09Z")
One of the greatest challenges of leadership is recognizing that your actions will be judged in the light of history long after you’ve made them and daring to take those actions anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/3 "2022-11-11T15:52:28Z")
Absolutely, this should simply be read as preemptive attack to secure the preservation of a Founding Partner to prevent our enemies having the opportunity to micro nova the local star in those culturally significant heart-land systems. That this defensive action is commonly viewed as overtly aggressive is an issue with the scope of news reporting and poor political communications. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/4 "2022-11-11T16:00:28Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > an issue with the scope of news reporting I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/5 "2022-11-11T16:10:45Z")
I’ll make my meaning plain nevertheless. The Scope’s vaunted neutrality teeters on the treacherous. ---
**Author:** ![Thadius\_Faran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thadius_faran/32/374269_2.png) [@Thadius\_Faran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thadius_Faran)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/6 "2022-11-11T16:45:11Z")
> [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > If you do nothing, you go in the same bracket as President Villers when your people start dying. The degree of escalation that has occurred was preventable, but Aguard and the rest of the Federation disregarded the need to detain Leopold Villari after his exposure as at best, a Guristas spy, and at worst an FIO agent pretending to be a Guristas spy to directly attack the State alongside the traitorous Guristas Esri Hakuzosu. The inability and unaccountability of the Federation in that diplomatic crisis is exactly why relations started deteriorating. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/7 "2022-11-11T17:13:22Z")
> [@Thadius\_Faran](#): > > The degree of escalation that has occurred was preventable, How are you comfortable making this claim? Intaki _is_ the diplomatic core. Do you think Aguard could effect anything without that backing? ---
**Author:** ![Thadius\_Faran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thadius_faran/32/374269_2.png) [@Thadius\_Faran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thadius_Faran)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/8 "2022-11-11T17:15:13Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > How are you comfortable making this claim? What? That a verified informant type spy was exposed but the Federation chose inaction? Your response genuinely makes no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/9 "2022-11-11T17:17:10Z")
Are you senseless? The action taken was to preserve the integrity of the Intaki peoples. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/10 "2022-11-11T17:17:37Z")
I agree and note that the Federal Senate Subcommittee on Caldari-Gallente Relations has opened an investigation. As someone with a vested interest in another senate procedure, I can only encourage you to have patience. It may take far too long but the system often (usually?) works. Perhaps the en Villari affair could have been handled better but that doesn’t undermine my point that this was a situation in which the President had no good choices. ---
**Author:** ![Thadius\_Faran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thadius_faran/32/374269_2.png) [@Thadius\_Faran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thadius_Faran)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/11 "2022-11-11T17:23:42Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Are you senseless? The action taken was to preserve the integrity of the Intaki peoples. Ah, so you’re just plain uninformed and are not even responding to my point about relation deterioration starting months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Thadius\_Faran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thadius_faran/32/374269_2.png) [@Thadius\_Faran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thadius_Faran)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/12 "2022-11-11T17:25:09Z")
> [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > Perhaps the en Villari affair could have been handled better but that doesn’t undermine my point that this was a situation in which the President had no good choices. The situation would be different had the Federation cooperated more, but their choice not too means we have to assume the worst. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/13 "2022-11-11T17:28:22Z")
> [@Thadius\_Faran](#): > > my point about relation deterioration starting months ago. How far back do you want to go? Only Intaki have the patience for your obfuscations. We have a more incisive heritage and more explicit definitions than you seem to comfortably cope with. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/14 "2022-11-11T17:45:49Z")
I understand that promising diplomatic progress about the status of Intaki was jeopardised by this incident. What I am less clear about is the connection between the defection of Caldari Navy officers and the military disadvantage the Federation finds itself in after events in Athounon. Could you clarify? ---
**Author:** ![Imrik\_Schereau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imrik_schereau/32/343151_2.png) [@Imrik\_Schereau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imrik_Schereau)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/15 "2022-11-11T19:00:45Z")
I believe the point being made was that choosing inaction may have placed the president in a disfavorable position in some areas but inaction is what contributed to a rise in escalation after the en Villari incident. Then action chosen in the Intaki incident escalated tension further. At least, I believe that’s the point being made. I won’t comment on either point presently as it’s merely speculation on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/16 "2022-11-11T19:06:20Z")
Has he tried… Diplomacy? Maybe not being a dick to other states? Not calling them enemies? What about citizens that were engulfed by Pochven? Did he ever think about those people? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/17 "2022-11-11T19:20:44Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Has he tried… Diplomacy? He who? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/18 "2022-11-11T19:49:37Z")
Ok has they tried it? ---
**Author:** ![Imrik\_Schereau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imrik_schereau/32/343151_2.png) [@Imrik\_Schereau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imrik_Schereau)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/19 "2022-11-11T20:02:51Z")
The question being rendered is ‘to whom are you referring?’ ---
**Author:** ![Julianni\_Avala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/julianni_avala/32/356243_2.png) [@Julianni\_Avala](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Julianni_Avala)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049/20 "2022-11-11T20:14:10Z")
If I could guess, they’re referring to the President and just don’t know she is…well, a she. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-empathy-for-president-aguard/384049.md?page=2)