# Some quick SKINR calculations... FREE SKINR for the creator? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 16, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751 "2024-10-16T14:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/21 "2024-11-21T17:36:02Z")
Another topic relevant is where are created the Patterns? I think some like the new Deathless pattern can be obtained in Zarzakh, but that pattern is easily associated with that Pirate faction. For all the others I’ve been wondering from day one, where do these come from? Do they have BPOs? Can we get these as loot in some missions? Some new patterns are very rare, like the new Star pattern, just today one popped up for 100M Isk in Jita… which is less than some others that got up to 0.5B for a single use… Any ideas?? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/22 "2024-11-21T17:47:32Z")
The patterns drop from various activities (ratting, etc.), but I couldn’t give you any specifics. You can also get them from SKINR Studio Supplie crates - but these are fairy expensive right now (you need to open 10-20 to get anything decent; around 100 to get an unlimited pattern). The new patterns are rarer because they’re in the same loot tables as the previous design elements. Plus there’s a fair amount of demand for them right now. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/23 "2024-11-21T17:55:01Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > SKINR Studio Supplie crates It seems prices went up from 1M per crate to 10M by the time Revenant hit… I had no idea this was the only method to obtain patterns… So it is completely random? Oh my… ![Screenshot 2024-11-21 at 18.53.35](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/8/e/58e09c3af28e5a5332ff39b8396288e9a92e93af.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/24 "2024-11-21T18:01:24Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > completely random > [@Revenant Marauders nerf - glory to the gankers!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/11): > > That’s such a loaded nasty term, just call them quantum fluctuation cubes or something. psyccp 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/25 "2024-11-21T19:34:23Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > So it is completely random? Oh my… Yes. I think the unlimiteds are something like a 1% drop rate (at least that’s what opening several thousand crates seemed to bear out anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/26 "2024-11-22T15:57:48Z")
I tried one yesterday, I payed 10Mil, and got 133 Fermonic sequencer charges worth a wopping 3.000 isk… the next question is… where do one get these crates to begin with?? Who or what creates them??? We are back to square one… how do you create a pattern??? Anyway, after a little over a month of SKINR creating and trading, I finally reached positive earnings… and as a result… I GIFTED MYSELF THIS BEAUTY! ![Screenshot 2024-11-22 at 16.51.21](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/a/5/6a5e84028f52335037a4a35ebe82671cc9270c0a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/27 "2024-11-26T23:28:36Z")
I love the new Randomizer function! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/0/0e026c42fbfab7099243adf943ed045eb23952bb.jpeg "EVE Revenant - SKINR STUDIO RANDOMIZER SHUFFLE - Shuffling Designs") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2v1uNj36BQ) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/28 "2024-11-27T01:38:25Z")
Make it stop… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Pakokkie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pakokkie/32/487923_2.png) [@Pakokkie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pakokkie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/29 "2024-11-27T08:18:33Z")
CCP, please remove SKINR. It is horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Aciiiid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aciiiid/32/425651_2.png) [@Aciiiid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aciiiid)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/30 "2024-12-05T12:06:03Z")
When did they increase the PLEX price for SKINr? I created a SKIN that costed 130 PLEX few weeks ago. I’m opening it today and the price went up from 130 to 160. I don’t recall any comms on this, but perhaps I’m missing something. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/31 "2024-12-05T12:12:27Z")
Second pattern costs more (you can still design with a single pattern). ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/32 "2024-12-20T16:38:48Z")
Sometime it would be nice to get a way to reduce the tax on the sales also, it is staggering… A 160 Plex design can cost you well over 1B isk, then you get 250M in taxes for a 1.5B sell… you are left with a 500M gain, but if no one buys and you need to pull down your prices, then you see that your limit continues to increase… 1.2, 1.3, 1.4B just for the design and the taxes alone… It’s hard to justify a SKINR for 2B… I got my record today for 1.8B, and after taxes, I just got 300Mil… Basically CCP got more in taxes than I put in my pocket… I have trained all possible skills to 4, and yet the taxes are staggering… even the economy skills, I have trained to 4 and some even to 5… I’m training broker relations to 5 now, to gain a 0.3%… but this is nothing and I don’t even know if it is affecting the SKINR trades tax… or just normal market orders… ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/33 "2024-12-20T18:28:19Z")
I have found a possible bug, anyone else noticed the colors change when zooming in and out when applying a design in nested?? Checkered Divide does this, other designs behaves noramally. Only this one does this strange blend… This is very strange, I don’t know what to do… I don’t want the design to be like when it is zoomed out… zoomed in ![Nested zoomed in](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/5/4a5724eb29511452fffc555329c6cac8968bc557.png) zoomed out… ![Nested zoomed out](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/d/a5de3c218a32c07719a65e2a3b62c8b25ad787f6.png) ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/34 "2024-12-20T21:17:00Z")
It’s still open to question, one of the earliest requests, the ability to recycle a SKINR design that one doesn’t like, or can not sell, whatever, and get beck either some Plex, or RE-SKIN the SKIN again, but with 75% to 95% of the initial invested Plex, accredited for the changes. With everything possible again, hull change, designs change, etc, obviously changing a design would mean losing it. This would be wonderful for many of us want to try make SKINR, but feel it is too taxing, one can make an error, and can not recover, feel abandoned… this would give more incentives… and a couple more skills to train for… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-quick-skinr-calculations-free-skinr-for-the-creator/464751/35 "2025-03-20T21:17:09Z")
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