# Some thoughts on dealing with hi-sec Triglavian recons squads **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447 "2019-08-17T17:59:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ivanka\_Trumptard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivanka_trumptard/32/204577_2.png) [@Ivanka\_Trumptard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivanka_Trumptard)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/228 "2020-05-13T02:28:35Z")
> [@Stinkefuss](#): > > > [@Ivanka\_Trumptard](#): > > > > Yes you are absolutely right. You make the stuff we all need. Like the buckets of salty tears being collected here. > > You must be the power troll here. > All of your posts are offensive. > And they always sound the same. What is offensive is “20 year players” who cannot adapt to simple game mechanics. Guess what I am doing right now. Mining. AFK writing this post. Trigs have not killed me once. _shock_ ---
**Author:** ![Stinkefuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stinkefuss/32/205082_2.png) [@Stinkefuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stinkefuss)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/229 "2020-05-13T02:34:17Z")
Well i will try to make this a bit clearer that you can better understand my problem. Im a old ■■■■ older then your parents. I can do this with 1 account. But i cant do it with multiple windowed accounts. I can build you a ship with a paper and a clip. But when it comes to fighting im totally lost. Until now it was no problem for many years. But now it is. And i dont really understand why. But i see. Its worthless trying to posts this here. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/230 "2020-05-13T02:35:43Z")
> [@Stinkefuss](#): > > But when it comes to fighting im totally lost. > > Until now it was no problem for many years. So how did you deal with all the belt rats that spawned before now. Do that, but with more drones. And if you only play with one account at a time, what do the rest of the accounts do? If they just do industry, stop wasting your time mining and just focus on industry, buy the ore instead. ---
**Author:** ![Stinkefuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stinkefuss/32/205082_2.png) [@Stinkefuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stinkefuss)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/231 "2020-05-13T02:39:27Z")
Well i dont know whats the dps difference for this rats but it must be huge. They focus on drones and that loss alone is already shitty to recoup. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/232 "2020-05-13T02:46:11Z")
The trick to dealing with the Trigs is to not have your drones out when they warp in. When they warp in, immediately recall your drones, wait for them to attack you, THEN deploy your combat drones. If you leave your combat drones out when the Trigs warp in, they will primary your drones and pop them in seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/233 "2020-05-13T02:50:28Z")
> [@Stinkefuss](#): > > Well i dont know whats the dps difference for this rats but it must be huge. Off the top of my head I want to say something like they start at 80dps per ship and ramp up from there to 120 or 160 or something, but I’m not sure if I’m remembering the right figure. That means a full squad starts at 400dps, but you don’t need to permanently tank it, just for long enough to kill them. Further to what Quake has said, if using multiple ships or an orca (or even a skiff) something like a web or target painter will make them pay more attention to you, and a target painter would allow you to drone assist from other ships to the main one, and then get them all on the same target. (drone assist hasn’t changed in the last few months has it?) ---
**Author:** ![Stinkefuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stinkefuss/32/205082_2.png) [@Stinkefuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stinkefuss)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/234 "2020-05-13T02:55:55Z")
Hm until now i just runned away. I saw the dmg they did and got scared because i thought soon there will be a warp scrambler and then all is ■■■■■■ up. I fit my orca other links and maybe a rep tool and try it out. Losing ships would make me crazy. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/235 "2020-05-13T02:57:23Z")
The random Trig belt patrols in a non-invasion system don’t warp scram. Having said that, if losing ships would “make you crazy”, then EVE is definitely not the game for you… ---
**Author:** ![Stinkefuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stinkefuss/32/205082_2.png) [@Stinkefuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stinkefuss)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/236 "2020-05-13T03:04:14Z")
Well im sure you would not be happy to lose few hundred millions isk to something which comes out of nowhere. I have to mine long time to replace a ship even to replace t2 drones. Lets say not crazy but also not cool. What i also dont get is what all the new people do. They get 1 shotted by this kind of rats. Must suck today to start as a miner. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/237 "2020-05-13T03:05:38Z")
I mine every day and I’ve never been killed by a Triglavian patrol. Ever. All you have to do is pay attention… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/238 "2020-05-13T03:05:50Z")
> [@Stinkefuss](#): > > They get 1 shotted by this kind of rats. Must suck today to start as a miner. A venture with a basic tank lasts long enough to warp out of the belt before dying, then they can just jump one system and check on deep scan for them, before mining there. ---
**Author:** ![Stinkefuss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stinkefuss/32/205082_2.png) [@Stinkefuss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stinkefuss)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/239 "2020-05-13T03:10:17Z")
Well every time i play eve i notice that im still a total noob. And it dont gets better. I will try out your advices and hope it works. gtg now Take care guys. And dont let corona get you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/240 "2020-05-13T04:45:18Z")
I’m an industrial pilot with 4 accounts all trained for mining. Mining is my primary source of income. I deal with trig’s spawns 4-5 times a day. Trigs enter belts. Recall drones. Warp out vulnerable ships. Orca stays to fight. Ships warp back in. Continue to mine. Rinse and repeat. If you are at your computer focusing on eve there is no way you can lose a ship. Maybe a few drones that’s it. Now I’m assuming that because you have multiple accounts that you have an orca. (If you don’t then I really don’t know what you have been doing with your time in eve) Train combat drone skills on your orca pilot. Now you never have to worry about trig’s again. As soon as the orca has aggression warp back in your mining ships release a swarm of drone death upon them. Venture pilot yes must be vigilant Ive seen many die but all due to pilot error or not paying attention. I’ve seen exhumers/mining barges and orcas die and every time it’s because they weren’t paying attention. Play the game watch the screan and you will be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/241 "2020-05-13T04:50:23Z")
All these threads and posts are the same. Take away peoples ability to afk or semi afk something and they complain the game in unplayable. I recently watched a corp rage quit because of the shield tanking changes and they couldn’t sit in emerging conduits semi afking them. Damn you CCP for making me have to pay attention and work for the isk. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/242 "2020-05-13T09:25:53Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Off the top of my head I want to say something like they start at 80dps per ship and ramp up from there to 120 or 160 or something, but I’m not sure if I’m remembering the right figure. That means a full squad starts at 400dps, but you don’t need to permanently tank it, just for long enough to kill them. Please check those numbers (I’m not sure I did not make a mistake): | name | EM EHP | TH EHP | KI EHP | EX EHP | orbit Range | tracking evasion | Tur Th DPS | Tur Ex DPS | Tur Max Th DPS | Tur Max Ex DPS | Miss Em DPS | Miss Ki DPS | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Raznaborg Damavik | 7708 | 6822 | 7917 | 7018 | 6000 | 42 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | 32 | 32 | | Starving Raznaborg Damavik | 7708 | 6822 | 7917 | 7018 | 6000 | 44 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | | Renewing Raznaborg Damavik | 7708 | 6822 | 7917 | 7018 | 6000 | 41 | 17 | 9 | 25 | 14 | . | . | | Blinding Raznaborg Damavik | 5725 | 5154 | 6001 | 5437 | 6000 | 40 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | | Anchoring Raznaborg Damavik | 5530 | 4910 | 5676 | 5047 | 6000 | 50 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | | Ghosting Raznaborg Damavik | 7330 | 6538 | 7590 | 6794 | 6000 | 32 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | | Tangling Raznaborg Damavik | 5530 | 4910 | 5676 | 5047 | 6000 | 50 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | | Harrowing Raznaborg Damavik | 5530 | 4910 | 5676 | 5047 | 6000 | 50 | 18 | 10 | 27 | 15 | . | . | highest max DPS is raznaborg damavik with 32+32+15+27 = 106 DPS. Then highest is 42 DPS (only missiles on the raznaborg) So 2 raznaborg, 2 others means 296 DPS. So tanking 300 DPS should be enough ---
**Author:** ![Luxzar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luxzar/32/205383_2.png) [@Luxzar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luxzar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/243 "2020-05-14T06:30:21Z")
As an avid miner, totally agree with eve is not an afk game and you should be watching what you are doing. But the inconsistence’s with how often Trig squads show up is fked. I can go hours without seeing any of them, and other days……. They show up, I warp out the squishies, orca kills them off, warp the squad back in, no sooner do I launch drones, another squad rolls in… another set of drones gone, more time wasted killing instead of mining. Literally just shut down a mining op due to being attacked 4 times in less then 20mins, not doing this all night. If I wanted to PVE I would go mission or do conduits. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/244 "2020-05-14T09:51:39Z")
Good . If you cannot adapt and learn to deal with this then it’s better you sell your stuff to me at a discounted rate. Go find another game where it’s nice and easy. I will come mine your belts and laugh as I kill the trigs with ease. If it’s that much of a problem where are the combat ships in the belt to protect the miners ? Like a 5 year old who gets told NO, I will scream and shout and stomp till you change this. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/247 "2020-05-14T13:28:44Z")
As far as I know 1.0 and 0.9 systems don’t have trigs( I don’t ever mine these systems so I wouldn’t know) People in ventures or low skilled mining barges should mine there if they worry about trigs. Again I don’t know if that’s correct about 1.0 and 0.9 systems ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/248 "2020-05-14T16:24:50Z")
> [@Zombie\_Ellecon](#): > > If you want to have a discussion about how to counter the trigs. How to survive then I’m here to have a discussion with anyone. No you are not. A discussion starts by stating every body opinion on the topic, not by making personal attacks on the person. You literally are opposing a discussion. Even when I exactly wrote that trigs don’t bother me, you keep claiming they do. There should be a limit to your stupidity. > [@Zombie\_Ellecon](#): > > As far as I know 1.0 and 0.9 systems don’t have trigs wrong. I literally made a map of metropolis and found several HS .9 and 1.0 systems with conduits in them. > [@Some thoughts on dealing with hi-sec Triglavian recons squads](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/76): > > I just did a trip of 76 jumps, to visit metroppolis with the minimum jumps ([http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Metropolis#sec](http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Metropolis#sec)) Current location: Hek Aderkan (Solar System) / Frar / Metropolis Libold (Solar System) / Aptetter / Metropolis Nein (Solar System) / Ergruk / Metropolis Ridoner (Solar System) / Argeir / Metropolis Orgron (Solar System) / Gedur / Metropolis Nedegulf (Solar System) / Gedur / Metropolis Erego (Solar System) / Stadakorn / Metropolis Irgrus (Solar System) / Panorad / Metropoli… ---
**Author:** ![Bart\_Baxter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bart_baxter/32/174135_2.png) [@Bart\_Baxter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bart_Baxter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447/249 "2020-05-14T18:29:47Z")
Exactly. It’s almost as if the game demands to be played rather than ignored while tea is brewed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/some-thoughts-on-dealing-with-hi-sec-triglavian-recons-squads/183447.md?page=13)