# SOOOOOO the new FW seems to be NOICE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268 "2022-11-13T08:50:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/41 "2022-11-13T23:31:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Go buy any popular FPS survival game. You’ll get the same instant PvP action, and it will be more enjoyable because the gameplay itself will actually be _fun._ call me crazy but i LOVE eve pvp i think is really strategic , fast, skill demanding and trilling ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/42 "2022-11-13T23:34:19Z")
I disagree. Fights almost always come down to two ships approaching each other to 0, getting mutually tackled and immobilized, and then one’s tank outlasts the other’s and that’s how the winner is determined. In a very small fraction of cases, some manual piloting might be required, but its rare. Most of the “excitement” in EVE PvP comes from the risk of loss and/or anticipation of the loot that you’re going to get if you win, and not the actual fight itself. Meanwhile, in an FPS game, it’s _fun_ to actually _shoot the guns._ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/43 "2022-11-13T23:35:23Z")
totally disagree talking about shooters i play WOTB to join my clan , amarr empire 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/44 "2022-11-13T23:36:11Z")
Go record a few of your fights and then play them back to yourself. You’re completely delusional. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/45 "2022-11-13T23:36:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Go record a few of your fights and then play them back to yourself. You’re completely delusional. no I’m not i never fight at 0 not a blaster ship kido ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/46 "2022-11-13T23:37:21Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > yes > thats is the big flaw on them > if you put tracking modules they reset to close to a non navy > > maybe thats why the minmatar one is so good > autocanons and stuff I don’t mind the flaw. It is a nice feature which a Condor pilot can make use of to land nice kills. Tracking rigs won’t make up the shortfall. Autocannons have inferior tracking compared to Blasters, and Enyos which do have a tracking bonus already struggle to hit things. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/47 "2022-11-13T23:37:47Z")
It’s the exact same thing. Orbit at 9 instead of approach to 0, still one single command and your input is done for the remainder of the encounter. You’re deluding yourself right now. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/48 "2022-11-13T23:40:08Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > I don’t mind the flaw. It is a nice feature which a Condor pilot can make use of to land nice kills. > > Tracking rigs won’t make up the shortfall. > > Autocannons have inferior tracking compared to Blasters, and Enyos which do have a tracking bonus already struggle to hit things. i like the basic coercer a lot because the tracking bonus makes beam lasers possible autocanions imo is a great weapon blasters tend to be op , but they also have many flaws > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s the exact same thing. Orbit at 9 instead of approach to 0, still one single command and your input is done for the remainder of the encounter. You’re deluding yourself right now. no I’m not for example (of many , i post lots of pvp histories here at the forum ) i had a great fight (3 days ago) against a fast minmatar cruiser that ended on the guy bailing with 10 hull in the last minute it was a blast , a lot of manual piloting and back and forward in terms of who was winning at the end i stayed 30 minutes thinking that i should have won but i ■■■■ up at the end ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/50 "2022-11-13T23:48:46Z")
Go record some fights and show us. And don’t cherry-pick the best ones out of a hundred that you do, but show us how the _average_ one plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/51 "2022-11-13T23:49:52Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i like the basic coercer a lot because the tracking bonus makes beam lasers possible Yeah, the Coercer is the only ship for Small Laser Weapons with a tracking bonus, out of the entire T1 roster of Amarr Frigs and Dessies. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > autocanions imo is a great weapon Not really. They lack the damage and tracking of blasters, but also lack the optimal range of energy weapons. The only redeeming elements are that Autocannons require very little Grid and CPU, and that they do not require Capacitor to work. The redeeming element of Howitzers is the sick alpha strike damage. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s the exact same thing. Orbit at 9 instead of approach to 0, still one single command and your input is done for the remainder of the encounter. You’re deluding yourself right now. When using rockets within scramweb range, I mostly just do a 6 km keep at range against blasters, a 500 meter orbit against other turrets, and a 2.5km orbit against other launcher ships. That’s pretty much optimal. for the task at hand. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/52 "2022-11-13T23:50:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Go record some fights and show us. And don’t cherry-pick the best ones out of a hundred that you do, but show us how the _average_ one plays out. i wanted to do this a lot because i love youtube FW videos but my old mac barely run the game at a decent fps if i recorded every fight i had i bet i would have a TOP of the line eve PVP mega hits 😃 unfortunately is not a good time for me to upgrade the computer … BTW arena is arena i don’t play much EVE arena because is a teoricraft haven , full of BIS ships and meta things unlike fw with more varied ships and more organic fights > [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > Yeah, the Coercer is the only ship for Small Laser Weapons with a tracking bonus the samsha ones have to they are super good thats why I’m thinking before buying 10 coercers navy ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/53 "2022-11-13T23:55:40Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > the samsha ones have to > they are super good This is utterly irrelevant because they don’t fit into navy plexes. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/54 "2022-11-13T23:57:13Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > This is utterly irrelevant because they don’t fit into navy plexes. like i said in OP i don’t understand the new rules very well they used to be in novices … the worst part of amarr ships for PVP IMO is the dam 2 mid slots edit: maybe i would sell the samsha ones to get navy issue coercers them 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/55 "2022-11-14T00:02:32Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i don’t understand the new rules very well ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/0/e/90e9bd126d2d0be804302996ea106f55c71f5c8f.jpeg) They can’t even fit into a Navy Large now. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/56 "2022-11-14T00:03:15Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > They can’t even fit into a Navy Large now. that is kinda good because no bling fit garmurs to … ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/57 "2022-11-14T00:03:58Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > that is kinda good because no bling fit garmurs to … Now it’s massive blobs of Tristans, Algoses and Dragoons. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/58 "2022-11-14T00:04:19Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > Now it’s massive blobs of Tristans, Algoses and Dragoons. ohhhhhhh 😲 dragoon is good but is soooo boring i dislike drone boats ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/59 "2022-11-14T00:24:35Z")
> **Fight me..here** > > ![scum](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/f/1/6f15ef3881262c420600ceb52fe1c0610a038df8.jpeg) / > [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > On the whole I am not seeing any tracking bonuses, so I am looking forward to picking them apart. Okay so they some bonus with extra slots to support the tracking modules? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/60 "2022-11-14T00:32:02Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Okay so they some bonus with extra slots to support the tracking modules? you can put a tracking module IMO i think you will spend a slot(or rig) and make them a lot like the non navy ones @Miran_Tereven think even with the module they would not hit ■■■■ for what i understanded ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/61 "2022-11-14T00:33:34Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Okay so they some bonus with extra slots to support the tracking modules? You do not resolve a tracking deficiency by boosting the tracking number. You resolve it by applying a Scram and 2 webs to the target you’re shooting. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268.md?page=4)