# SOOOOOO the new FW seems to be NOICE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268 "2022-11-13T08:50:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/82 "2022-11-15T04:15:11Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/2/5/525c98f324915424b3e8a35338ef4710c5fd1e72.jpeg "More FW pvp") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b30AqsE2bQ) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/a/ebad03cf9adaee8b812de3f91756c417a298e2cf.jpeg "Day 1 in FW") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcnhc9xFd1I) Squishy always fun FW Squishy double fun ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/83 "2022-11-15T05:04:32Z")
Dual rep breacher best breacher. Really hard for new and intermediate players to fly, but an absolute heck of a good time. I also use the dual web armor rage one. ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/84 "2022-11-15T07:34:25Z")
Thank you, by the way, for that Tribal Education Force thing, it is really really amazing. My contribution (can’t remember if it’s there or not): Don’t like missiles, you won’t like this. Don’t like autocannons, you will be irked. Don’t like drones, you will really not like this. > **Magnate\_Solo\_Scramkite\_Armor** > > Magnate: “Viola Player” > 3 Highs: > 2x Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket > 200mm Autocannon II, Barrage S > > 3 Mids: > 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner > Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier > Faint Scoped Warp Scrambler > > 4 Lows: > Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste > Multispectrum Energized Membrane II > Multispectrum Energized Membrane II > Damage Control II > > 3 Rigs: > Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I > Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I > Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I > > Drones: Whatever > > I call this fit “Viola Player” because it is underrepresented, totally respected, proud of itself to no end, and easy to make fun of XD. > > Viola gang. Lasker Emanuel did a video about this ship and I basically copied the idea. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/85 "2022-11-15T07:46:08Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > Lasker Emanuel did a video about this ship and I basically copied the idea. he is a legend looks super fun watching the video 😃 ![Captura de Tela 2022-11-15 às 04.44.45](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/4/a641e649a1b925cc049710c1737b25cca34bd889.jpeg) btw I’m liking the content you @Nujenif_Talvanen and @Miran_Tereven put on this topic about our little sub culture it speaks more than a thousand words ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/86 "2022-11-15T07:48:23Z")
Beethoven’s 9th Symphony was a stellar music choice 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/87 "2022-11-15T08:07:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Just like null-sec, FW _primarily_ consists of players who are there _solely_ for the purpose of grinding ISK from PvE. The PvP component is minor by comparison, consisting of a select few players who subscribe to the “Battlegrounds” archetype of PvP because that’s what they’re accustomed to from other games. Yep. This is why militias should put alts in the opposing militia, to chase out the farmers in their militia out of the plexes like a toddler running at a bunch of pigeons in a park pathway. ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/88 "2022-11-15T09:44:01Z")
They actually do this. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/89 "2022-11-15T09:53:36Z")
I’m aware, and it’s still not enough. As destiny says, the hybrid “PvEvP” model with nice CCP-given objectives to fight over just attracts the same PvP adverse folks who min/max so that they just maximize PvE and minimize PvP. Even worse, it removes any initiative of player agency by CCP giving players “reasons” to fight instead of players organically coming up with their own reasons to shoot things. So you get lazy players who don’t want to fight and don’t want to engage with the social aspect to come up with their own reasons to fight. Both old and new FW has this fundamental problem. Joining FW lets you freely and “legally” (CONCORD wise) shoot and hunt half of these bears. Hence, part of it is on other players to make their life hell. Which is why there’s a lot of boo-hoo crying in CalMil where you get called an “awoxer” for something as simple as telling people to plex as they damn please including when trying to bait fights and not make money, and ignore the guy trying to get people to plex in near-safety of only scouts and smalls. “He’s trying to make it dangerous he’s an awoxer!” 🙄 As someone who flies with Awox himself that kind of accusation is completely meaningless 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/90 "2022-11-15T10:36:46Z")
you have to admit that the caldari militia have a big problem with awoxers i mean i NEVER EVER got shot by amarr militia if it happens is bad overview /noob/ instantly apologise i go shot by caldari A LOT OF TIMES and some guys said blue is only a color etc want to shot everyone be a pirate , dont force others to risk losing A LOT of standing to get a cheap kill , scum of the earth disgusting btw i thing the people “the other side of the isle “ have a vision of FW much diferent from amarr vs minmatar i mean even the minmatar have Ushra’Khan that by matters of RP i never admit but is in fact a nice Organization, i talk to the mimies all the time they are cool i don’t know a thing about the galentes > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > As destiny says i like her but IMO in this topic she was full of ■■■■ ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/91 "2022-11-15T12:02:17Z")
There’s a difference between actual awoxing (shooting blues) and encouraging people to go out there and pick fights. The problem is many people _dont_ see the difference. I get why you like the FW changes and think destiny is full of 💩 and in some sense I get it. FW is very fun now and people are engaged. but when you really take a step back and look at the big picture the underlying health of the game and mentality many players have destiny’s right. Many people’s engagement needs the helping hand of CCP to get them inspired with “PvE rewards” and package it in neat boxes of “PvEvP battlegrounds” to fit their modern-gaming-preconceptions, instead of encouraging players to build their own reasons and having systems that just naturally reward players for taking risks and developing their own sense of identity instead of pre-packaged “militia member” faux societal role. I understand your own sense of identity is strongly tied to “militia member role” and I’m not saying you need a helping hand cultivating it. But for many other militia people they want a cookie cutter experience without having to put thought into it, press lever receive rewards like The Skinner box, “wow now I am militia”. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/92 "2022-11-15T13:01:10Z")
yeah i agree that CCP keeps forcing plots on us to move people because they don’t have any kind of self determination or creativity if you let them decide they become paralyzed if you don’t come with a magic explanation they think there is no “content” ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/93 "2022-11-15T15:30:49Z")
From the other side of the isle, I will say that @tutucox_Khamsi is spot on. The changes to faction Warfare have been improvements in my opinion. I am glad that CCP divided the pirate frigates in a different class than the t1 frigates and moved them up with the t2 frigates now. that makes more sense to me at least. @Iceacid_Frostpacker if you like Mini frigates, try the dual rep breacher. The poor rifter has lost its top spot in the meta years ago. The dual rep breacher is a little fussy because you have to manage both shield and armor reps but that is half the fun. Of course, this may change if the navy destroyers can alpha a dual rep set up before you can recover. I guess time will tell. For anyone that wanted to try Faction Warfare, or pvp in general, but was unsure about it, now is a great time. buy some cheap frigates and give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/94 "2022-11-15T15:50:11Z")
What’s the new thing they added today? Literally a “team battleground” feature, huh? Stop and actually think for a moment about what they’re doing to EVE here. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/95 "2022-11-15T23:22:31Z")
new toys YAYYYYYYYYY its beautiful 😲 ![Captura de Tela 2022-11-15 às 20.13.39](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/6/0e60e4d42a036974e0543da38b1112bbc8c52e9e.jpeg) > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What’s the new thing they added today? Literally a “team battleground” feature, huh? I’m totally oblivious of the news , tell me more , how it works ? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/96 "2022-11-16T00:55:48Z")
Awesome preparation you have ready. 🙂 I think I had met luv face to face the other week. :fiestaparrot: ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/97 "2022-11-16T01:08:38Z")
like the Beatles used to say > all you need is luv ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/98 "2022-11-16T01:14:53Z")
dualrepbreacheraaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yeah no dual rep fit can tank the destroyers, but that isn’t really the point. Any dual rep breacher will get dunked by a destroyer at is optimal range. I lose dual web dual rep Merlins to pulse Tormentors because I cannot rep hard enough (even permarunning heated with Hardshell I). As for the awoxing, I have gotten shot at a few times (a poor breacher shot me as I entered on him with the name “Simple Farmer” and I dunked him XD), and I have even died a couple times, like when a vexor killed my Incursus. However, farmers gonna farm, and these complexes require a lot of vigilance, and if you want to be annoying you can have a Firetail or something else fast and just chase them around so they can’t earn any money XD. I think FW farmers are a balance, especially when considering all of the new players that the alpha-friendly moneymaking method can bring. Also, it exposes new players to lowsec, piracy, and combat with actual players. It is a good entry-level moneymaking method, and a good way for PVPers to earn money while they look for fights. I think it is a brilliant system. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/99 "2022-11-16T01:31:27Z")
This is so new to me seeing this; ![FW](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/e/b/eebabfdd5a3426b9331323b152aa2b34f52b6581.jpeg) Anyone else seeing these? ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/100 "2022-11-16T01:32:40Z")
Yep! I love the new indicator. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/101 "2022-11-16T03:49:52Z")
a tale of revenge or … at first i was ☹ but them… i lold 🤣 soooo i was with my humble coercer and there was this guy blinking yellow in a Thrasher fleet making hell on our militia and the mimies I’m not the kind of guy to bail a good fight so i decided to wait for him in a small maybe he is autocanons , let me take some distance , he was not, arty , got murdered , Ez ![Captura de Tela 2022-11-16 às 00.43.11](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/6/1b6fdeb934eae40b3f1d10f22170ee2e7bdff9b2.png) well … his ship is better than mine , let me use a coercer navy , i bet he will still be around , and now i will have good range again on a small ![Captura de Tela 2022-11-16 às 00.43.16](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/2/9/629aaa562f2fe0362b48bdfa52f21300d99c58ca.png) cherry on the cake , the bling i looted will be enough to buy 2 more coercers navy … I’m done for the night very happy ![Captura de Tela 2022-11-16 às 00.43.25](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/f/0/1f0e68286beea14c1320906883562de029fb5d59.png) btw he guy have 1700 kills solo and already killed 8 peeps today … super nice to get the best on a good pilot GF if you visit the forums o7 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268.md?page=6)