# SOOOOOO the new FW seems to be NOICE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268 "2022-11-13T08:50:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/143 "2022-11-30T18:07:34Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > pre uprising uprising is ■■■■ they killed FW FW = new null sec good job ccp… not ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/144 "2022-12-14T06:51:15Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > What? No… > The dual compact one has a lot more. No. Let us imagine for a moment, that you are a tiny wholesome pilot with perfect rocket skills. This would be the DPS done by the dual compact BCS fit, referred to as the Grease Payn variant: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/d/efd53087d53aa2fc25e7c1ef836959a6fec40e6b.jpeg) And this would be the DPS dealt by the one with a single bcs and a t2 rate of fire rig, referred to as the Suitonia variant: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/d/e/9de86fcad63351c4691e4d2c191d88fc7cf0141f.jpeg) As you can see, the Suitonia variant does 320 DPS, whilst the Grease Payn variant does 312 DPS. It therefore follows that since 320 is a higher number than 312, the Suitonia variant pew pews more. The reason why I like the Grease Payn variant is that having 3 slots available for shield resist rigs allows me to tailor my shield resistance profile to the enemy I am fighting. That does not invalidate the fact that the raw DPS and EHP numbers on the Suitonia variant are still higher. It also costs like 10 mil less, which is a thing for some people. And that is a relevant thing to point out, because it takes a very obsessive individual to have 5 different scramkite hookbill fits just to hardcounter specific targets (including one with a SEBO and a ECCM script to deal with Navy Griffins). For the overwhelming majority of other pilots, having 1 shield-tanked scramkite fit is fine, and they don’t want to deal with the additional logistics or having to tell them apart. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > uprising is ■■■■ > they killed FW > FW = new null sec > good job ccp… not I tried to bring it up with the CSM but basically became a bittervet when I realized that there was no adult in the room to speak to. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/145 "2022-12-14T08:02:08Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > I tried to bring it up with the CSM but basically became a bittervet when I realized that there was no adult in the room to speak to. at least you tried keep the good job i wish i could give you two hearts ❤ that fitting content was fine 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/146 "2022-12-15T00:42:19Z")
I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I compact one of the webs and put a T2 Bay Loading Accel. (or calefaction catalyst, if it’s cheaper) on both fits. With that extra ROF (or damage) from the rig, the 2x BCU one does indeed do more. I do not see the point of going full tank rigs in a non-DCU fit, outside of the Polarized niche. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/147 "2022-12-30T23:47:53Z")
I’m complaining to much i will try to stop complaining some say i didn’t adapted well to the new changes i agree im tilted AF , geting a beating what a loser anyway i collected some screenshots to try to make a point or something… ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-30 às 20.39.02](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/2/6125498dc5f905544aa91ca62b529db428c18d2d.jpeg) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-30 às 20.44.55](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/0/0/000f0a3e00306c81c2a15c8f02ebe88e823d93fa.png) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-28 às 20.18.08](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/a/e/eaed3840f6d05939f9902d199ba4036d2bc0ae57.png) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-28 às 20.21.43](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/0/7/007b205d12cbdbcfb7f435de992cb196a358867b.png) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-28 às 20.27.12](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/9/4/194a2028a8582b2831ff01c5bd034ef078729946.png) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-30 às 03.49.17](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/5/e/d5ef5323b81dbca0292fde245097bd78505a9efe.png) > [@Station interiors - Highsec is its own End-game](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/station-interiors-highsec-is-its-own-end-game/389694/12): > > Thank you CCP for fun new FW features! ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/148 "2022-12-31T01:42:35Z")
TLF Merlins should not be fit like that. I implore my TLF combatants to use AB dual rep double web blasters. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/149 "2023-01-01T06:48:08Z")
_What is the point of winning at FW when you can’t easily tell someone they lost!_ ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/150 "2023-01-01T10:03:57Z")
Fun. It’s as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/151 "2023-01-07T01:45:27Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > I do not see the point of going full tank rigs in a non-DCU fit That’s very simple. I use EM+EM+Therm rigs when fighting enemies with lasers. I use Therm+Therm+Kin rigs when fighting enemies with hybrids. I use Therm+Therm+Explo when fighting enemies with disintegrators. I use Kin+Kin+Kin rigs when fighting kinetic-locked launcher hulls. If they can choose their damage type, IE launcher weapons or projectile weapons, I just send in the Laser version and watch them load EM ammunition that I have good resists against. This is why I prefer the version with 2 BCUs and 3 shield rigs over the other one. Asides from that I also have one version of the anti hybrid one that replaces a web for a sensor booster with an ECCM script in case someone shows up in a Griffin Navy Issue with dishonour drones. ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/152 "2023-01-07T03:23:42Z")
I pretty much exclusively use Field Extender rigs on my MSE ships. I don’t like refitting rigs, as it is expensive, and I don’t wanna keep tons of differently-rigged ships scattered around the warzone. If I am using a MASB, then I use a DCU and shield resist rigs, usually EM+Therm, then a DPS rig. If I go dual rep, I only ever put one shield rig on the Breacher, everything else gets hull tanked. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/153 "2023-01-08T04:46:46Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > I pretty much exclusively use Field Extender rigs on my MSE ships. I don’t like refitting rigs, as it is expensive, and I don’t wanna keep tons of differently-rigged ships scattered around the warzone. If I am using a MASB, then I use a DCU and shield resist rigs, usually EM+Therm, then a DPS rig. If I go dual rep, I only ever put one shield rig on the Breacher, everything else gets hull tanked. You misunderstand me. All of these are staged at all my forward operating bases. I do not refit the rigs. I simply reship to the appropriate variant. Field extender rigs don’t make sense to me without Nirvanas. Resists are the logical choice for empty pods and Crystals. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/154 "2023-01-13T11:23:34Z")
Is the new FW already dead? Was the recent payout nerf a step too much? After the holidays I see much lower activity in Caldari/Gallente space, battlefields are unopened, never seen before … what is going on? ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/155 "2023-01-13T12:56:38Z")
the age for more poeple is needed ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/soooooo-the-new-fw-seems-to-be-noice/384268/157 "2023-04-13T13:32:56Z")
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