# Spectre & Meltdown - An Update From The EVE Online Dev Team! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [January 8, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888 "2018-01-08T18:06:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Viderzei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_viderzei/32/256790_2.png) [@Sasha\_Viderzei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Viderzei)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/21 "2018-01-08T22:00:19Z")
Problem with CPU ? Why don’t they simply train CPU Management ? Here, problem solved. _run away_ ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/22 "2018-01-08T23:23:28Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > The major performance hit is only regarding system calls (and only Intel CPUs). Games naturally do not have a need for many system calls and are thus not going to see any noticeable performance impact. Unfortunately GPUs seam to be vulnerable as well 😱 If anyone is interested in understanding how those attacks work in principal, the Raspberry Pi guys did a pretty good job at explaining some of the fundamentals so that mortals may be able to get at least some insight: [https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectre-or-meltdown/](https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectre-or-meltdown/) ---
**Author:** ![CPuiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpuiu/32/380839_2.png) [@CPuiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CPuiu)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/23 "2018-01-08T23:55:50Z")
will there any graphs posted outside of what we got on twitter already? ---
**Author:** ![Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthias_ancaladron/32/128799_2.png) [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthias_Ancaladron)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/24 "2018-01-09T00:21:57Z")
There goes my 12-15 fps. Can’t wait for 8-10 on min settings to be the new normal. Yet another reason to not log in anymore ---
**Author:** ![slphy\_vansyl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slphy_vansyl/32/176986_2.png) [@slphy\_vansyl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/slphy_vansyl)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/25 "2018-01-09T01:18:04Z")
good! my cpu run more since few time while running the game… i ended to think i’ll dig for bitcoin 😛 but yes, hope the fix make my pc run smoother than now, i even low the graphic but it dont solve anything… wait and see… ---
**Author:** ![Toran\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toran_mallow/32/55286_2.png) [@Toran\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toran_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/26 "2018-01-09T02:58:26Z")
WTF? My bitcoin mining cuda code could be leaking my darkest secrets? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/2/c2eceaca5051d7bce2c0ef0fccdae0268108e7cb.png) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/27 "2018-01-09T03:35:02Z")
GPUs are _far_ less likely to handle sensitive information. They generally don’t have generic memory access, in the same way as CPUs do. (I’ll admit, it’s entirely possible I’m missing something. Patches are a good idea) ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/28 "2018-01-09T06:09:25Z")
To be frank, this fuckup is on Intel, not CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/29 "2018-01-09T06:54:43Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > GPUs are far less likely to handle sensitive information. That depends if you think all the stuff on your screen is sensitive, which it probably is. Also the GPU has direct access to the main memory via DRM independent of the CPU. Anyway, they just released an updated version with a fix which may or may not have a performance impact. [Security Bulletin: NVIDIA Driver Security Updates for CPU Speculative Side Channel Vulnerabilities | NVIDIA](http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4611) not really clear if the issue is actually in the GPU or in the driver parts running on the CPU. Too bad this is all closed and we will not be able to see what they actually changed. ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth\_Endashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenneth_endashi/32/256217_2.png) [@Kenneth\_Endashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenneth_Endashi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/30 "2018-01-09T07:52:14Z")
I appreciate the hard work you do, CCP, but I resent the assertion you care about protecting us on the forum from outside attackers while at the same time forcing forum users to connect to outside services - namely, Google - just to authenticate at [forums.eveonline.com](http://forums.eveonline.com) THIS presents users with a far greater and even more credible threat, especially when compared to the still-hypothetical existence of Spectre or Meltdown which still haven’t been used in the wild, but attacks against Google and privacy invasions _by_ Google happen as a matter of protocol. But hey, install your updates and we’ll be fine, right? ---
**Author:** ![RO\_ALEXANDER](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ro_alexander/32/392676_2.png) [@RO\_ALEXANDER](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RO_ALEXANDER)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/31 "2018-01-09T09:59:22Z")
What? Had a 970 GTX, the GPU usage went to 25-30% in big fights, getting 10-15 FPS, switched to a 1080 this year, now getting the same frame rate, but 15-20% GPU usage instead. CPU is the same, I7 4790K (one of the best single-core performers), and Eve is running one core at max during big fights and that’s about it (no more than 25-30% usage overall on CPU). Could you elaborate on this? I could run a LogLite session if you want ---
**Author:** ![Rhyx\_Mormarteno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhyx_mormarteno/32/43589_2.png) [@Rhyx\_Mormarteno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhyx_Mormarteno)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/32 "2018-01-09T11:23:03Z")
Login servers for fornite got hit with huge cpu load increase @ PS1 Possible data coruption with patch + possible malfunctions of anti virus software (if you want to update make sure to back up important files and game saves if you have them localy not on steam cloud or anywhere outside of your pc) ---
**Author:** ![Xenuria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xenuria/32/264531_2.png) [@Xenuria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xenuria)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/33 "2018-01-09T11:46:31Z")
This sounds really interesting, how will it effect TiDi? ---
**Author:** ![Rakshasa\_Taisab](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rakshasa_taisab/32/48262_2.png) [@Rakshasa\_Taisab](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rakshasa_Taisab)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/34 "2018-01-09T12:00:48Z")
> [@Xenuria](#): > > This sounds really interesting, how will it effect TiDi? Having looked at the vulnerabilities it should be possible for CCP to run without the KPTI fix (kernel-page-table-isolation) on those hosts, assuming they do not mix sol node vm’s with any vm that users might exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Alexzander\_Philip\_Starwalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexzander_philip_starwalker/32/48421_2.png) [@Alexzander\_Philip\_Starwalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexzander_Philip_Starwalker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/35 "2018-01-10T03:10:03Z")
Space the final frontier. ( so now i have more issues and this time i cant get tin and i know it is not my desk top system. ---
**Author:** ![Alexzander\_Philip\_Starwalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexzander_philip_starwalker/32/48421_2.png) [@Alexzander\_Philip\_Starwalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexzander_Philip_Starwalker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/36 "2018-01-10T03:12:58Z")
space the final frontier, ( well all raiser stun but the effect for the Klingons are still able to target the warp drives. i can not play now its stooped my system to enter the game if you need to know out of star trek talk. ---
**Author:** ![Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthias_ancaladron/32/128799_2.png) [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthias_Ancaladron)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/37 "2018-01-12T18:33:59Z")
That’s entirely true. But alot of people can’t afford fancy computers and such. My old laptop struggle enough on low settings. Intel is trash ---
**Author:** ![GsyBoy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gsyboy/32/12486_2.png) [@GsyBoy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GsyBoy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/38 "2018-01-13T07:56:19Z")
I am running a 7700 i7 with a 1080 11Gb and Eve runs between 20-35% of CPU and 30-50% of GPU. This has made multiboxing my 7 man ice mining gang impossible. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/39 "2018-01-13T08:12:37Z")
You can save a lot of cpu by turning off sound completely. Did you know EVE has sound? Many don’t! ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888/40 "2018-01-13T15:39:28Z")
> [@Jian\_Mira](#): > > Its not a new chip Last I heard, all chips since 1995 are affected. You must have a very old computer. > [@Chocolate\_Pickle](#): > > To be frank, this fuckup is on Intel From what I understand (and I’m not an electrical/hardware/cpu engineer), it’s using a very inventive way to work around some extremely basic and fundamental CPU design paradigms. It’s either the fault of every electrical engineer and computer scientist in the world… or it’s just really smart. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/spectre-meltdown-an-update-from-the-eve-online-dev-team/49888.md?page=3)