# Squall Hauler to Combat Mining Barge **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 22, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576 "2024-06-22T02:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/90 "2024-07-17T01:48:17Z")
1.) yes 2.) yes 3.) NO, the ships are already combat efficient if you have a brain, not a carebear, or otherwise stupid and stubborn(asinine) and not some greedy afk botter. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/91 "2024-07-17T03:38:27Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > I have replied to many points. Then why you never came up with any answer for the FACT : > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > There are barges with combat bonuses which you can use ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/92 "2024-07-17T05:43:14Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Why are you asking for the thread to be closed? Because we’re done? - You made the thread to ask for a combat bonused mining barge. - We informed you that there is a combat bonused mining barge. - You refuse to accept that there is a combat bonused mining barge and make ridiculous statements like _“those ship bonuses only apply to fighting NPC’s and not player ships”_ which everyone can see is nonsense because no bonus in the game works like that. - Then you continue asking for point 1 as if there has been no answer This thread is potentially endless if you refuse to accept the answer that is right in front of you. That’s why I think it’s better closed. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/95 "2024-07-17T15:29:56Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > The perceived world you live in does not exist because your comments are the same as every other comment against ideas, changed, but still the same. then tell us which changes would have your improvements to all miners ? would they now be able to defend theirself ? are they generating more isk with mining ? i will answer both questions → No ! if you think different explain yourself ! PS: i´m sure you cant answer this questions 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/97 "2024-07-17T16:45:04Z")
The benefits of a combat mining barge means that alliance, corporation or individual miners will be able to adequately defend their mining operations against a few navy types of battlecruisers and will be able to totally defend theirself against a fleet of five destroyers looking for targets to kill. The combat barge would also give Low and Null sec miners more flexibility in their mining operations. The combat mining barge would also create a quick reaction force to defend a gate or structure until the larger combat dedicated ships arrived. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/98 "2024-07-17T16:47:18Z")
That alliance, corporation or those individual miners can already adequately defend their mining operations, by bringing combat ships if they insist to hold grid while hostiles are around. Rorquals even are able to make the entire combat fleet invulnerable with PANIC while waiting for backup combat ships to arrive. An attentive miner would however make sure they warp away before any hostiles arrive. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/99 "2024-07-17T18:42:23Z")
I remember a fleet of procs in nullsec defeating a few Sins, T2 BS on their own… Your ideas have no merit, your peers have judged that already. @ISD_Traindriver could we have this thread closed please, its going no where. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/100 "2024-07-17T18:45:03Z")
And where is the proof of these Procurers defeating Sins in Null? The last time I checked, SOP for Sins in Null is always have ships on back up to portal in for assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/105 "2024-07-18T06:30:23Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > You have been playing Eve Online for around 11 years Incorrect, you do not know who I am, try 15 years. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > You’re the one who made the comment involving the fleet of barges taking out Sins yes i did, cause i pay attention to all things political, because I am an Indy person. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > You’re not a peer, you might be right, cause I am better than you at this game. meaning you are beneath me. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Not to mention, the new combat barge would give miners the ability to play and mine, the way the miner chooses to, instead of being meat-shields for gankers who can’t adapt to rewards vs risks but want everything to stay the same. untrue, if they dont know or dont want to fit their ships appropriately. Especially in HS since you mention Gankers(ganking happens in HS only), people simply cant use the current ship lines cause they are lazy and want to AFK or Greedy and think EvE is an instant gratification game, when instead the Tortoise will always beat out the Hare. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/106 "2024-07-19T13:37:23Z")
If players consent to PvP at the undock, then PvPers have to accept mining barges being able to fight and win against station camping PvPer’s. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/113 "2024-07-20T14:21:44Z")
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**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/114 "2024-07-21T02:20:55Z")
And by using combat assets such as protecting Procurer barges and other type of barges, those same cruisers, battlecruiser, etc. are spread out across Sov and would take more time to respond to a large enemy presence, which could lead to Sov loss. The Combat Barge allows the mining fleet to defend itself so the actual combat ships can be deployed where they are needed, at the front line. I think a Min/Gal and Armar/Cal collaboration on combat barges would create new type of barge. Min/Gal Bonuses to Hybrid weapons and Rockets + light drone bonuses. Amar/Cal Bonuses to Beam Weapons and Missiles + mining drone bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/115 "2024-07-21T03:08:33Z")
You’ve not given a direct reasoning why, outside of the procurer, a combat mining barge (whatever that actually means), should be a consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/116 "2024-07-21T09:37:37Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > And by using combat assets such as protecting Procurer barges and other type of barges, those same cruisers, battlecruiser, etc. are spread out across Sov and would take more time to respond to a large enemy presence, which could lead to Sov loss. if youre not able to hold your SOV then its not because youre sitting actualy in a procurer xD its because you cant defend your home ! new mining ships cant change this fact 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/117 "2024-07-23T16:56:59Z")
Vuhdo Rin, you have been ignored permenantly. Min/Gal would have bonuses to mining range While Cal/Amarrian would have bonuses for ore cargo. Both would have bonuses for ore compression and reduced damage to mining crystals. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/118 "2024-07-23T17:09:56Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Vuhdo Rin, you have been ignored permenantly. again ? oO > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Both would have bonuses for ore compression and reduced damage to mining crystals. you know that ore compression is a thing you can only get from an industrial command ship with an compression module ? xD ok … lets summarizes your wishlist of your mega overpowered ship 🙂 1. you want more ore mining ( doesnt make any sense 😉 i could explain why if someone ask ) 2. you want a combat mining vessel ( you could fly a procurer ) wich could be fielded at the front with any chance to win big fights … oO 3. you want more ore minig range without links 4. you want a bigger cargo 5. you want all of this with a build in compression array at my PoV it looks like you are completly insane and lost any sense of reality ! but its just my PoV 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/119 "2024-07-23T19:01:06Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > at my PoV it looks like you are completly insane and lost any sense of reality ! but its just my PoV 😉 No, it’s not just you. At this rate Dryson must have half the forum “permanently ignored.” Bet if he knew about the Rorqual’s temporary invulnerably module he’s be demanding that be made for every size mining ship. The fact that he’s not tells me he doesn’t know it exists. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Zeokran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeokran/32/399532_2.png) [@Zeokran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeokran)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/120 "2024-07-24T20:18:13Z")
At this point I hope they just add a low slot module (or maybe a rig?) that grants the equipped ship 1,000 m3 of ore hold space, stackable with multiple modules. That way OP can just use those on a battleship and not have any room to ask for more lol. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/121 "2024-07-24T21:53:28Z")
> [@Zeokran](#): > > That way OP can just use those on a battleship and not have any room to ask for more lol. You mean like when they finally got the armed hauler they’ve been bleating about for two decades, only to then demand more in this very thread not even a month later? 🤔 No, these people don’t know when to stop asking for more, and it gets worse every time CCP indulges their little tantrums. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576/122 "2024-07-25T00:41:05Z")
🤔 🤔 🤔 Nope, not unless it is a Triglavian Combat Mining Barge built around the hull of the Leshak. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/squall-hauler-to-combat-mining-barge/453576.md?page=6)