# Standings Should Not Work This Way **URL:** \ **Category:** Missions\ **Created:** [November 30, 2024, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708 "2024-11-30T14:15:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/23 "2024-11-30T22:07:03Z")
Now it’s your turn 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/24 "2024-11-30T22:07:45Z")
The worst part is I was TRYING to make myself tired 😕 ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/25 "2024-11-30T22:11:17Z")
> [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > The worst part is I was TRYING to make myself tired I understand, it’s frustrating as hell and I haven’t found much that works except maybe a long boring movie or a boring book may work but do not get on EVE Online if you haven’t slept at least 6 hours. I get your frustration but you won’t find much sympathy on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/26 "2024-11-30T22:20:32Z")
There are some standard missions that do target other factions. Don’t do them. And if you already declined one mission from that agent, the standing hit for declining another one is only -0.001 to the faction. Move on to another agent if you’ve already declined a mission. All we do at USIA is run missions fixing standings for people. We understand the frustration with how hard faction standing can be gained or easy to lose. You have to make sacrifices. Hell look at @Sentenced_1989 , hes almost 10 with all 4. My boss @Imiarr_Timshae is almost 10 with all 4. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/27 "2024-11-30T22:22:14Z")
Not really looking for sympathy just making the argument that this is a ■■■■ way for standings to work. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/28 "2024-11-30T22:26:02Z")
@Nascent3ch0 I agree and there’s a whole lot of other stuff in EVE that shouldn’t be but are and many things that should be and aren’t. 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/29 "2024-11-30T22:30:46Z")
I am aware of this. You all are acting like I’m trying to say that the misclick was CCP’s fault. I’m not. That the consequences of one bad click are loss three months of work is however CCP’s design choice and it’s a bad one. But if one standard mission has you kill faction empire ships x for 0.024 and another with the same rat for 0.34 it’s not about it being meaningful anymore. That’s simply arbitrary and serves what, to punish one misclick? It’s not meaningful and it’s not good game design. Once that mission is accepted it’s a faction standing loss no matter what, it’s just a question of where it falls. It’s not like I opened up the market and forgot a zero, I literally clicked the wrong button in the mission window intending to hit the right one. You don’t have to have sympathy for that, but don’t pretend it makes sense or is good design. Faction standings need to be redone from the ground up to make the choices BOTH have consequences and be meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Sentenced\_1989](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sentenced_1989/32/380733_2.png) [@Sentenced\_1989](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sentenced_1989)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/30 "2024-12-01T00:41:56Z")
Oh, I am also super annoyed by how the standings hits work… Join FW, kill any number of enemies, doesn’t matter… But once per character you get promotions which you can’t opt out if you keep completing sites… Like, what??? The reasoning why you don’t get standings hits for kills is explained somewhere as “militias being proxy wars for empires” so they don’t lower empire standings… But then completing a site can do it… Also doing full chain of FW promotions takes you from +9 to -1.3… Great… Also, shoot a friendly militia wreck or friendly militia by mistake _(because your safety is red in lowsec so you can kill neutrals BEFORE they open fire once they land on grid)_ and BAM… 6 months of epic arcs lost… this one hit my alt pretty bad, 9.9 down to 9.5 in ONE second… On rejecting missions… I get standings hit for agent and corp, but why empire as well? But ok, however, I would like to be able to disable the reject button all together, was once ALMOST hit by this by rejecting the storyline on login, doing 16 missions, getting storyline by same agent and wanted to reject it before logging off… Was super close call, especially since I didn’t see that screen in years and almost clicked on the wrong thing (was expecting that I am confirming that he has no other mission, not that I am confirming standings hit) **Also 4 hours limit, what is up with that 2008 gameplay mechanic? I know they want to avoid people cherry picking best missions, but if we can already decline burner missions, then why not be able to freely decline anti-faction missions? It’s a simple change…** Also, more things should be tied to standings, either faction or corp, maybe LP payout modifier, bounty modifier in space, LP store discounts, something… There are so many options that are not used, so far the only thing we get is reprocess tax removed and that is about it… CCP should really look into streamlining and making it more obvious what actions affect what and add some more mechanics to it… ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/31 "2024-12-01T01:17:30Z")
bumped this into [Missions - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/pve-gameplay-center/missions/47) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/32 "2024-12-01T04:02:59Z")
Standings work fine for me. I used this to fix my standings after I F’ed up. [FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN aka ‘The Plan’ - PvE Gameplay Center / Missions - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-standing-repair-plan-aka-the-plan/8008) A lot of fun and learned different ships. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/33 "2024-12-01T09:19:53Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > I’m an insomniac and I can tell you there is no “delirium” in insomnia. I am not insomniac and I can tell you there is delirium even without insomnia. Sometimes in my delirium I think myself arguing with idiots replying for not reason and with unrelated answer all the time. But something is missing. Then I wake up and come to that forum to have the missing trolls. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/34 "2024-12-01T09:29:14Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Sometimes in my delirium I think myself arguing with idiots replying for not reason and with unrelated answer all the time I understand. Fortunately, we’re all human and as such we will have imperfect discussions and imperfect answers to imperfect questions which doesn’t mean it all is trollish but simply imperfection in the human nature. Thinking one’s self to be perfect is a sure sign of a delusional mind. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/35 "2024-12-01T10:40:43Z")
The solution to your problem is to prioritize sleep over games. Staying awake playing games is not a good way to discourage insomnia. Instead turn off all electronic devices, set lights to low, and sit down with a book or whatever. If you’re bored, it’s fine. Try getting bored enough that you fall asleep. The NPC standings system is way overdue a total overhaul, but people trying to combat lack of sleep by doing things that keep them awake is not the reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/36 "2024-12-01T12:40:38Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > Thinking one’s self to be perfect is a sure sign of a delusional mind. Indeed. > [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > doesn’t mean it all is trollish Trollish is not about making mistakes, but about making others do mistakes, for example with deception about what is a mistake. > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Staying awake playing games is not a good way to discourage insomnia. Instead turn off all electronic devices, set lights to low, and sit down with a book or whatever. If you’re bored, it’s fine. Try getting bored enough that you fall asleep. Except it does not work. You end up lying in your bed, in a state of delirium, with thoughts coming again and again, the visage of the dark future/past showing its face, you start delirium and your brain does not stop. There is no boredom. Just the pain of being yourself, trapped in that body, waiting for the end to come, unable to end yourself. Until the day comes and you are craving out of your bed, lacking rest, lacking energy, but still afraid of the next night to come more than anything. Those who don’t know that have no idea what it is. Good thing is, alcohol can help. Or a joint. Depends on the person. Also for me, having an ice cold bedroom. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/37 "2024-12-01T13:17:38Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Trollish is not about making mistakes, but about making others do mistakes, for example with deception about what is a mistake. I think I understand what you’re saying. Although I don’t wish to be on this forum as a “gotcha” presence but more as a form of fellowship from one capsuleer to the next. o7 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/38 "2024-12-01T13:19:56Z")
It was a joke about how this forum is more toxic than my worst nightmares, not actually directed at you. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/39 "2024-12-01T13:20:51Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > not actually directed at you. I didn’t feel targeted at all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/40 "2024-12-01T15:17:30Z")
While there is actual insomnia, most people who mention sleep difficulties are in this category ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/c/3/2c3634be39d171a87fc6739519c4f54d335bd309.png) But even if you suffer from actual insomnia, staying awake with a computer game does not help. Keeping to a day-night cycle even when you do not actually get much sleep is essential for fixing it. (Since you mention it, alcohol and joints don’t either - or rather, they help that night but make it worse the next one. The cold bedroom actually is recommended; ambient temperature changes are a known zeitgeber, a time giver, from which your mind and body know to fall a sleep.) That said the standings system still needs an overhaul though for different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/42 "2024-12-01T17:00:32Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > That’s a you problem Your entire post was lazy and contributed nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708/43 "2024-12-01T21:57:48Z")
If someone makes a “change the game to suit me personally because I don’t want to have consequences to my (in)actions, who cares about what it would do for other’s goals and play styles” I see zero reason to actually give an in-depth answer. Because the OP didn’t either. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/standings-should-not-work-this-way/469708.md?page=3)