# State of factional Warfare? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799 "2019-02-04T13:44:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wieland\_Schmied](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wieland_schmied/32/118816_2.png) [@Wieland\_Schmied](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wieland_Schmied)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/1 "2019-02-04T13:44:47Z")
Hi Guys. I have just returned from a 2 years long absence and am getting back into the game. Left my old ally in nullsec - they were great - but I decided it’s time for something other than sov warfare for now. The last few weeks I have lived in lowsec which is fun, but now I’m wondering what to do (new corp-/allywise) and thinking factional warfare could be the thing for me. So - is factional warfare still a thing and worth joining? Can someone point me to a source of information where I can get myself an overview about recent developments and fw as whole? best regards ---
**Author:** ![Ellison\_Onizuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ellison_onizuka/32/314780_2.png) [@Ellison\_Onizuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ellison_Onizuka)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/2 "2019-02-04T15:00:54Z")
I think FW is pretty much dead. Low sec is more about being a pirate these days. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/3 "2019-02-04T15:20:19Z")
I kill pirates all the time with my FW alt. Pirates don’t mean you can’t FW. To OP, most the people in FW are care bears just farming missions, they want to get paid, be in FW, but not actually PvP, so you don’t get a lot of FW fights. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/4 "2019-02-04T16:01:55Z")
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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/5 "2019-02-04T16:09:47Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’m perfectly fine with BOTS and NPC’s taking over FW. I see it as giving greedy unethical PvPers the reverse of their coin. Talk about your sore losers! > **[Yonna Leczarovitz | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114803233/)** > > Yonna Leczarovitz: 0 ships destroyed and 12 ships lost. I’d ask for your stuff but by the time you realize EVE is not for you, you will be broke from ship losses. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/6 "2019-02-04T16:13:51Z")
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**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/7 "2019-02-04T16:17:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/8 "2019-02-04T16:19:07Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’ll play EVE the way I want to play it. No you will play it the way it is designed, and continue to lose ships. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/9 "2019-02-04T16:23:46Z")
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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/10 "2019-02-04T16:44:31Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > Losing a ship is nothing. Thousands of players lose ships everyday, so what ? They are MEANT to get blown up, that’s part of the fun. Yet you won’t PvP… ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/11 "2019-02-04T16:53:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/12 "2019-02-04T16:55:15Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > PvPers are generally cowards who get a hard on from blowing up capsuleers way weaker then them RAAWWWLLLL Sweet tears tell a different story than your words. If you hate PvPers so much why play a PvP game? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/13 "2019-02-04T16:56:32Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I don’t do PvP Actually you do, maybe not voluntarily but you have lost those 6 ships, so you did PvP, albeit badly. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/14 "2019-02-04T16:59:21Z")
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**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/15 "2019-02-04T17:40:26Z")
Yonna Leczarovitz and Salt Foambreaker just get a room already. You two fight like an old couple that been together so long you make up crap to fight about. OP, I been thinking about FW as well, I been trying to get some decent info on it. I have heard it’s full of bots, but not sure how extreme of an issue it is. Forum opinions seem to very, or you get two nuckle heads like above. Might just have to give it a go and find out for ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Wieland\_Schmied](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wieland_schmied/32/118816_2.png) [@Wieland\_Schmied](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wieland_Schmied)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/16 "2019-02-04T17:53:00Z")
Well, that escalated quickly… Thanks for your answer Quor, you might be right about just trying it but fw means corp and corp means commitment, so it would have been nice to know in advance. Yonna & Salt: well, thanks for hijacking my thread, I guess. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/17 "2019-02-04T17:54:37Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’m not here to convinve you. Convince me of what? You entered this thread trolling while we were having a FW discussion. By your own admission you do not patriciate, then you go on to trash it and insult PvPers. Your posts speak for themselves. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’ll join FW at some given time, when I get more experience ( and brains I guess, as it was suggested that those who are learning EVE are “stupid” ) BUT I WON’T do PvP at all whatsoever. > Yesterday I got attacked by a capsuleer suffering from inferiority complex. I didn’t even try to defend myself. I capsuled out of my ship and docked, to hell with PvPers and their pissing contest. > The ship cost me 41,000,000 and the modules a mere 10,000,000. The insurence paid me 40,000,000 so why should I give some coward PvPer who attacks a newbie the satisfaction of a fight with a ship that cost me all but a couple of dollars? > > I’m perfectly fine with BOTS and NPC’s taking over FW. I see it as giving greedy unethical PvPers the reverse of their coin. > > I’ll fight for my empire but I won’t give a PvPer the satisfaction to grief me. > > To those who complain about Bots… Happy Whining 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/18 "2019-02-04T18:45:43Z")
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**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/19 "2019-02-04T18:47:19Z")
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**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-factional-warfare/137799/20 "2019-02-04T21:53:55Z")
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