# State of the EVE Universe **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2022, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798 "2022-08-16T07:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/1 "2022-08-16T07:31:43Z")
Numbers are slowly dropping so it’s time for a short statement as a veteran player. 🙂 I’ve been playing EVE almost daily for 16 years and it’s extremely hard to summarize the game in short words. The basic toxic attitude that keeps players away from this wonderful game lies in the nature of the concept of a closed industrial, trade, and war system. All three areas are interdependent and PvP is the toxic part at the core, but PvP is extremely important to making industry and trade work. And vice versa. However, once you have had a chance to look behind the scenes of various groups, you find that most players are relaxed, friendly, and cool people with or without families. Especially the bad pirates. Believe it or not. 🙂 Everyone wants to have fun in the game, but it’s just not easy. EVE is a fleet-based game. In a group, you get ahead quickly. Solo, you need a lot of patience, and a lot of experience through trial and error, learn and adapt, never giving up no matter how hard it hurts until you get to a point where the game expands the possibilities that you can use effectively. You can compare the game with cave diving. I start confidently and have to fight my way through endless narrow passages. There are dangerous spots where I can get stuck, starve, die of thirst or drown. But at some point deep under the mountain, a huge grotto full of wondrous things opens up. And each passage leads into unknown territory with equal dangers. I’ve been playing with three accounts since 2008 because I mostly had to and wanted to play solo. Despite the long experience and many strategic routines, the game remains a formidable challenge. It is a pity to see that the veterans are slowly leaving EVE and there is no fresh blood left that had to fight their way through a tough skill system as we did, thus the game gained a certain idealistic value and also a professional seriousness that is needed for larger corporations or alliances. CCP took a big risk here because it is precisely because the game is close to the reality of work that it is very special. But the current development is understandable but also deadly for the soul of the game. The monetization of EVE and the quick access to skill points seem like a last desperate act to squeeze something out of the lemon. It simply lacks a concept to make the game attractive to a new generation and to keep the games in the game despite the hard hurdles. EVE is dying. EVE is dead. Long live EVE! o7 Presidente Gallente ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/2 "2022-08-16T07:34:43Z")
So is this a pro or an anti gank thread? I can’t really tell. ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/3 "2022-08-16T07:39:23Z")
Everything is fine in EVE as long as the people have understood what is Evil-Online about. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/4 "2022-08-16T07:40:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So is this a pro or an anti gank thread? I can’t really tell. me to ![wait-im-confused](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/1/4/d14f06155d8bdf4c6f015cf6d6114c97cec2f163.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/5 "2022-08-16T07:41:19Z")
Why are you confused? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/6 "2022-08-16T07:42:39Z")
> [@Presidente\_Gallente](#): > > Why are you confused? 😃 because I can’t really tell if this is a pro or an anti gank thread… ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/7 "2022-08-16T07:44:20Z")
Everything that keeps the industry and market alive is good and healthy for the game. In theory! ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/8 "2022-08-16T07:45:08Z")
I think it’s pretty clear what my statement is about. This wonderful game is trapped in a catch22 and CCP (Pearl Abyss) struggles to pay the bills. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/9 "2022-08-16T07:48:42Z")
> [@Presidente\_Gallente](#): > > catch22. i heard its a nice book i started but i was very confusing ill try to finish it so we can continue this conversation ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/10 "2022-08-16T07:54:17Z")
You should be playing EVE instead of reading books to improve your PvP stats. But every loss feeds the industry system. Keep going! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/11 "2022-08-16T07:55:40Z")
I like mining in my Venture. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/12 "2022-08-16T07:57:18Z")
> 1. One of the most challenging aspects of this novel is piecing together the order in which events occur. How does Heller manipulate time, fragment the action, and confuse cause and effect? More important, how does this confusing form fit the function? In other words, how does the _way_ in which this story is told fit with what is actually happening in the story? you see the book is confusing like your topic maybe its a meta thing you are doing or just drugs … gallente… are you under the influence sir? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I like mining in my Venture. ha noob a barge mine more cubic furlongs per 3600 seconds ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/13 "2022-08-16T08:02:54Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > t, ho OK, forum trolls! I understood why you are here. It’s a good time for mining in Rancer now. Just 13,8K ppl online. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/14 "2022-08-16T08:05:47Z")
> [@Presidente\_Gallente](#): > > OK, forum troll! I understood why you are here. It’s a good time for mining in Rancer now. Just 13,8K ppl online. Have fun! hey I’m just socializing with you usually humans like to have feedback from other humans ---
**Author:** ![Presidente\_Gallente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/presidente_gallente/32/386578_2.png) [@Presidente\_Gallente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Presidente_Gallente)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/16 "2022-08-16T08:08:30Z")
You should play EVE and socialize with me in Rancer to keep the market running. You lose too many ships maybe you lost your focus. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/17 "2022-08-16T08:10:37Z")
Did the OP only use the word “toxic” to be cool? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/18 "2022-08-16T08:11:03Z")
> [@Presidente\_Gallente](#): > > You should play EVE and socialize with me in Rancer to keep the market running. You lose too many ships maybe you lost your focus. > > o7 i think is better to give us some time… meet new people … its not your fault … its me … ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/19 "2022-08-16T08:43:36Z")
TL;DR however one thing of note about your OP is it has line breaks in opposition with your other post so that is an improvement. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/20 "2022-08-16T09:13:58Z")
ohhhh now i got it is a nice post have a heart ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798/21 "2022-08-16T09:17:14Z")
> [@Presidente\_Gallente](#): > > and CCP (Pearl Abyss) struggles to pay the bills. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/2/d/c2d4f6fb2b48c5cc30730caaf9dfd0a8b4ca51b2.gif) It was well established a few threads ago that this wasn’t the case, and just a poor excuse from PA to shove monetization down our throats. PA just generally treats its players as milk-cows, nothing more. The bill-paying part is fine. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-eve-universe/373798.md?page=2)